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Webmasters, Microsoft feels your pain

Tuesday, 28. March 2006, 08:42:40

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Any webmaster or web developer that has tried to work with web standards will tell you of the countless hours they've spent trying to work around Internet Explorer bugs, banging their head against the desk, while it just works with the minimum of tweaks in other browsers. I've personally written pages where it's taken longer to work around these bugs than it did to write the original page in the first place. Well Microsoft's own developers feel our pain. Check out the source of this CSS file on Microsoft's servers: GeneralStyles.css. 

/* fix for the IE 1px-off margin error */
* html .StupidIEMarginHack 
{
margin-right: 1px; 
}

* html .StupidIEWidthHack
{
width: 100%;
}

Lets all hope IE7 fixes these issues so we all don't need stupid IE hacks.

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Comments

ThePast 28. March 2006, 09:07

:lol:

WillYum 28. March 2006, 09:11

:lol: That's cute. Hope someone has screen caps.

velmu 28. March 2006, 09:32

That's just excellent! Here's the screencap - just in case.

realGWolf 28. March 2006, 09:32

:insane:

coxy 28. March 2006, 09:53

Heh, that's funny. I suppose, though, that in Microsoft's defence - they don't actually make their own websites.

At work, we made this website which is up on Microsoft.com

I should think that if news of this got back to Microsoft; and it wasn't someone internally that made [url]http://connect.microsoft.com - that the agency that did won't be getting anymore work off them in the near future.

velmu 28. March 2006, 09:56

I would think news of this have already reached some parts of Microsoft... this is the internet, the most effective rumormongering system on the planet.

But sure it's bad for the company, and a it's such small mistake for someone who did the templates. And the stupidIE-prefix is not even that bad... I can imagine myself using something far more evil :devil:

Someone give me my Black-Hole Black Coffee!

drlaunch 28. March 2006, 10:16

Hahaha. I love it. Another kick in the nuts for Microsoft.

Sakthisuresh 28. March 2006, 10:36

This is good experience using the web browser.

Sakthisuresh 28. March 2006, 10:37

This is good experience using the web browser.

b_laudanum 28. March 2006, 11:03

loved your blog! really interesting, specially for kicking microsoft in the ass... :headbang:

IE sucks!


hugs from the forest
:wink:

p01 28. March 2006, 14:01

priceless!

Jakub81 28. March 2006, 14:37

ROTFL!!!

FataL 28. March 2006, 17:09

Yeah, for me as web designer all this are funny but also a pain in the a$$. :lol:
Just recently I discover this DL inside OL bug in IE 6 and also it still "work" in IE 7 beta 2 (IE 5, IE 5.5 work actually better there).
BTW M$ just recently open access to bug tracking/submitting system. So, now you can complain about bugs. :smile:
Opera, let us do something like that, please. :wink: I mean provide some access to bug tracking system for users that want to help testing browser.

Jadd 28. March 2006, 17:22

I feel like showing this to the world.

nicomen 28. March 2006, 17:45

FataL: Are you suggesting Opera has bugs?!?! ;D

jayfell 28. March 2006, 18:11

FataL is probably saying that Opera should have a bug reporting area - it would probably something like the Carlsberg Complaints Department - never used (well the one in the advert anyway!!)
:wink:

roguetrader 28. March 2006, 18:53

Interestingly, given the other browser options available to web surfers, if web masters didn't put themselves out so much Microsoft would have to fix their issues or face even more defection from IE
On another note I recently read somewhere that IE is not a genuine Microsoft designed product, but rather a hybrid of licensed technologies patched together by Microsoft

danielcs 28. March 2006, 20:46

Hey dudes.. Opera already has a bugtracking system.

https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

And you can always go to the menu Help > Report a site problem too. :smile:

Now about the .StupidIEMarginHack.
Muahahahahaa, really funny, priceless. :lol:

highnote 28. March 2006, 23:28

heres the link to the IE7 roadtest
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx
maby this is the perfect place for it

Webshit 28. March 2006, 23:30

I wonder. Would he use IE?

LouisC 28. March 2006, 23:53

lmfao, that's freaking funny :smile:

Frenzie 29. March 2006, 00:07

I've used #ie-sucks in the past (since you can't decently style BODY in IE you've got to insert a redundant div with that ID). Nice to see something similar on a MS site however. :smile:

wangjiaji 29. March 2006, 03:08

:lol:Microsoft should be embarrassed by this

FataL 29. March 2006, 04:49

danielcs: Opera already has a bugtracking system.
It's only bugsending for users, not tracking. p:

LioNiNoiL 29. March 2006, 06:45

coxy wrote:

# in Microsoft's defence - they don't actually make their own websites.

What is that, the "outsourcing" defence of the inept korporatzi?? If so, it's not convincing.

Helmers 29. March 2006, 09:16

"Lets all hope IE7 fixes these issues so we all don't need "stupid IE hacks"."

Crossing my fingers! :D

Aux 29. March 2006, 10:45

MS is outsorcing a lot, but not everything. I'm saying it as an outsorcing company employer. And if You dig comments inside code You'll find a lot of "nice" ones in every MS product.

hesido 29. March 2006, 12:05

You just cost the man his job!

abhitux 29. March 2006, 17:39

Lol. Indeed. There can nothing more than this- A shining example of monumental stupidity of extreme proportions!

Screw Microsoft.

smartmenus 29. March 2006, 22:19

LOL

katinha 30. March 2006, 17:06

ROTFL :D

velmu 30. March 2006, 17:52

Looks like they've "fixed" the class names.

Oh and the story was rather popular on Digg too:

http://www.digg.com/design/Even_Microsoft_Designers_Have_Problem_with_IE

It really does not matter, but who spotted this first? Was it David?

Kelson 30. March 2006, 19:04

Well, given that the rules rely on the * html hack, which won't trigger on IE7 (except in quirks mode), I'd assume the particular bug is fixed.

At least, I would if connect.microsoft.com triggered standards mode, and since there's no DOCTYPE...

Time to figure out exactly what they're working around, build a testcase, and see what IE7 does with it.

Pharaoh_Atem 1. April 2006, 05:23

Microsoft took out the hack code! I just looked at the CSS file, it is completely gone!

Kelson 1. April 2006, 05:40

No, it's still there, they just renamed the classes to the more mundane HtmlRightMargin and HtmlWidth.

highnote 1. April 2006, 16:24

lol the funny thing is that i used google to find that ...but my computers arnt compadible with it so i cant use it anyway

pjbatty 3. April 2006, 17:51

I hate the way some sites actually encourage you to use IE. Yahoo! Beta Mail for example doesn't support Opera and says I should use IE or Firefox - why?

HaJotKE 6. April 2006, 15:35

Those funny comment lines are not there any longer... :lol:
Something happened on fool's day.
MS employees are watching out on OPERA's news!
M/B they have to...

highnote 6. April 2006, 20:02

well im not assocated with anyone but i do have a lot of free websites and blogs listed in my links and what i want to do is make shure that every site and blog is compadible with every browser so that i get at least one visitor every 90 days for the next 100 years thus emortilizeing me and my art online for as long as the server lives

Zoom2002 11. April 2006, 18:15

Zoom

pawlik 12. April 2006, 13:17

good one ;)

highnote 15. April 2006, 21:45

if your just trying to list your sites i have a lister on my blog at http://my.opera.com/highnote/blog/show.dml/168988

highnote 19. April 2006, 18:55

truth is you should ask them at
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/03/24/560095.aspx

GeeZuS 21. April 2006, 13:15

It's funny, because it's already been removed. Hahaha

physics_op 24. April 2006, 23:05

Getting CSS to work and look properly in all the major browsers is a pain.

Anonymous 14. January 2007, 18:30

Anonymous writes:

don't be silly

Anonymous 19. December 2007, 09:55

Andrei writes:

So funny like the Microsoft :)

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