Slightly ajar

Webmasters, Microsoft feels your pain

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:42:40 AM

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Any webmaster or web developer that has tried to work with web standards will tell you of the countless hours they've spent trying to work around Internet Explorer bugs, banging their head against the desk, while it just works with the minimum of tweaks in other browsers. I've personally written pages where it's taken longer to work around these bugs than it did to write the original page in the first place. Well Microsoft's own developers feel our pain. Check out the source of this CSS file on Microsoft's servers: GeneralStyles.css. 

/* fix for the IE 1px-off margin error */
* html .StupidIEMarginHack 
{
margin-right: 1px; 
}

* html .StupidIEWidthHack
{
width: 100%;
}

Lets all hope IE7 fixes these issues so we all don't need stupid IE hacks.

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Comments

RobinThePast Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:07:14 AM

lol

WillYum Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:11:29 AM

lol That's cute. Hope someone has screen caps.

velmu Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:32:24 AM

That's just excellent! Here's the screencap - just in case.

WolfrealGWolf Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:32:53 AM

scared

Nicolas Mendozanicomen Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:46:18 AM

Screenshot: http://my.opera.com/nicomen/albums/showpic.dml?album=47482&picture=610008

oops, too late wink

Matt Coxcoxy Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:53:15 AM

Heh, that's funny. I suppose, though, that in Microsoft's defence - they don't actually make their own websites.

At work, we made this website which is up on Microsoft.com

I should think that if news of this got back to Microsoft; and it wasn't someone internally that made http://connect.microsoft.com - that the agency that did won't be getting anymore work off them in the near future.

velmu Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:56:53 AM

I would think news of this have already reached some parts of Microsoft... this is the internet, the most effective rumormongering system on the planet.

But sure it's bad for the company, and a it's such small mistake for someone who did the templates. And the stupidIE-prefix is not even that bad... I can imagine myself using something far more evil devil

Someone give me my Black-Hole Black Coffee!

Knut Remi "DrLaunch" Løvlidrlaunch Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:16:53 AM

Hahaha. I love it. Another kick in the nuts for Microsoft.

Sakthisuresh Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:36:33 AM

This is good experience using the web browser.

Sakthisuresh Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:37:21 AM

This is good experience using the web browser.

beavidal Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:03:19 AM

loved your blog! really interesting, specially for kicking microsoft in the ass... headbang

IE sucks!


hugs from the forest
wink

Mathieu 'p01' HENRIp01 Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:01:08 PM

priceless!

Jakub81 Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:37:31 PM

ROTFL!!!

FataL Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:09:00 PM

Yeah, for me as web designer all this are funny but also a pain in the a$$. lol
Just recently I discover this DL inside OL bug in IE 6 and also it still "work" in IE 7 beta 2 (IE 5, IE 5.5 work actually better there).
BTW M$ just recently open access to bug tracking/submitting system. So, now you can complain about bugs. smile
Opera, let us do something like that, please. wink I mean provide some access to bug tracking system for users that want to help testing browser.

Jadd Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:22:03 PM

I feel like showing this to the world.

Nicolas Mendozanicomen Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:45:05 PM

FataL: Are you suggesting Opera has bugs?!?! ;D

Jayfelljayfell Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:11:26 PM

FataL is probably saying that Opera should have a bug reporting area - it would probably something like the Carlsberg Complaints Department - never used (well the one in the advert anyway!!)
wink

roguetrader Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:53:47 PM

Interestingly, given the other browser options available to web surfers, if web masters didn't put themselves out so much Microsoft would have to fix their issues or face even more defection from IE
On another note I recently read somewhere that IE is not a genuine Microsoft designed product, but rather a hybrid of licensed technologies patched together by Microsoft

Daniel Sitnikdanielcs Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:46:30 PM

Hey dudes.. Opera already has a bugtracking system.

https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

And you can always go to the menu Help > Report a site problem too. smile

Now about the .StupidIEMarginHack.
Muahahahahaa, really funny, priceless. lol

jeffyhighnote Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:28:45 PM

heres the link to the IE7 roadtest
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx
maby this is the perfect place for it

Webshit Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:30:43 PM

I wonder. Would he use IE?

Louis C.LouisC Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:53:23 PM

lmfao, that's freaking funny smile

FransFrenzie Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:07:35 AM

I've used #ie-sucks in the past (since you can't decently style BODY in IE you've got to insert a redundant div with that ID). Nice to see something similar on a MS site however. smile

当当当wangjiaji Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:08:56 AM

:lol:Microsoft should be embarrassed by this

FataL Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:49:31 AM

danielcs: Opera already has a bugtracking system.
It's only bugsending for users, not tracking. p

LioNiNoiL Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:45:11 AM

coxy wrote:

# in Microsoft's defence - they don't actually make their own websites.

What is that, the "outsourcing" defence of the inept korporatzi?? If so, it's not convincing.

Henrik HelmersHelmers Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:16:26 AM

"Lets all hope IE7 fixes these issues so we all don't need "stupid IE hacks"."

Crossing my fingers! bigsmile

Aux Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:45:08 AM

MS is outsorcing a lot, but not everything. I'm saying it as an outsorcing company employer. And if You dig comments inside code You'll find a lot of "nice" ones in every MS product.

Emrah BASKAYAhesido Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:05:48 PM

You just cost the man his job!

abhitux Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:39:27 PM

Lol. Indeed. There can nothing more than this- A shining example of monumental stupidity of extreme proportions!

Screw Microsoft.

Vasil Dinkovsmartmenus Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:19:04 PM

LOL

katinha Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:06:35 PM

ROTFL bigsmile

velmu Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:52:26 PM

Looks like they've "fixed" the class names.

Oh and the story was rather popular on Digg too:

http://www.digg.com/design/Even_Microsoft_Designers_Have_Problem_with_IE
It really does not matter, but who spotted this first? Was it David?

Kelson VibberKelson Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:04:28 PM

Well, given that the rules rely on the * html hack, which won't trigger on IE7 (except in quirks mode), I'd assume the particular bug is fixed.

At least, I would if connect.microsoft.com triggered standards mode, and since there's no DOCTYPE...

Time to figure out exactly what they're working around, build a testcase, and see what IE7 does with it.

Pharaoh Atem (ニール・ゴンパ)Pharaoh_Atem Saturday, April 1, 2006 5:23:59 AM

Microsoft took out the hack code! I just looked at the CSS file, it is completely gone!

Kelson VibberKelson Saturday, April 1, 2006 5:40:01 AM

No, it's still there, they just renamed the classes to the more mundane HtmlRightMargin and HtmlWidth.

jeffyhighnote Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:24:32 PM

lol the funny thing is that i used google to find that ...but my computers arnt compadible with it so i cant use it anyway

Peter Battypjbatty Monday, April 3, 2006 5:51:45 PM

I hate the way some sites actually encourage you to use IE. Yahoo! Beta Mail for example doesn't support Opera and says I should use IE or Firefox - why?

HaJotKE Thursday, April 6, 2006 3:35:51 PM

Those funny comment lines are not there any longer... lol
Something happened on fool's day.
MS employees are watching out on OPERA's news!
M/B they have to...

jeffyhighnote Thursday, April 6, 2006 8:02:40 PM

well im not assocated with anyone but i do have a lot of free websites and blogs listed in my links and what i want to do is make shure that every site and blog is compadible with every browser so that i get at least one visitor every 90 days for the next 100 years thus emortilizeing me and my art online for as long as the server lives

Zoom2002 Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:15:44 PM

Zoom

Maciej Pawłowskipawlik Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:17:10 PM

good one ;)

jeffyhighnote Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45:51 PM

if your just trying to list your sites i have a lister on my blog at http://my.opera.com/highnote/blog/show.dml/168988

jeffyhighnote Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:55:28 PM

truth is you should ask them at
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/03/24/560095.aspx

GeeZuS Friday, April 21, 2006 1:15:05 PM

It's funny, because it's already been removed. Hahaha

physics_naphysics_op Monday, April 24, 2006 11:05:39 PM

Getting CSS to work and look properly in all the major browsers is a pain.

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