Jacek Jędrzejewski

Opera 11 UI Glitches

Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:56:35 AM

I don't believe they will be fixed

Download and Source View are present since 10.50.

DSK-322211: Wrong color of download details with color scheme applied

DSK-322223: Wrong color of extensions page with skin color scheme

DSK-322209: dragging search bar between extension buttons

DSK-322214: Wrong toolbar color in source view

DSK-322225: hardly visible highlighting in page source view

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Comments

metude # Thursday, April 7, 2011 4:49:25 PM

Did you reported it from here?

http://my.opera.com/Helmers/blog/2011/02/18/on-opera-ui-feedback

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Thursday, April 7, 2011 6:02:30 PM

Nooo? How would I know about that?

metude # Thursday, April 7, 2011 6:14:12 PM

Originally posted by eXtremo:

Nooo? How would I know about that?

You're right.

This is one of Opera's main bugs. Documantation and reportage area is not well organized.

(I'm sorry for my poor English.)

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Friday, April 8, 2011 8:38:36 AM

Originally posted by metude:

This is one of Opera's main bugs. Documantation and reportage area is not well organized.

Yeah, that's a problem. I can't imagine how they manage all these bug reports from bug wizard, where (probably) hundreds of people report the same bug.
None of my bug reports was ever fixed :\

metude # Friday, April 8, 2011 12:06:51 PM

Originally posted by eXtremo:

Yeah, that's a problem. I can't imagine how they manage all these bug reports from bug wizard, where (probably) hundreds of people report the same bug.
None of my bug reports was ever fixed :\

I know one thing about this.

They're proitrazing bugs then Opera offices working on it. If a bug has proitry number 1, all offices (Sweden, Norway, USA) working on it.

For example one of the barracuda builds they fixed Core-1 bug. This means they didn't fix it for 11 version.

Originally posted by eXtremo:

None of my bug reports was ever fixed :\

Me too. Sometimes they are not fix it directly. For example in 9.27 i was reported a bug about tabs. They didn't fix it in 9.64, but they changed tabs to visual tabs and bug was gone. So if they are planning a new future, they may not fix bugs. And these all is not nice.

Opera is cool product but it have to try to be perfect product.

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Friday, April 8, 2011 3:00:27 PM

Public bugtracker would be a good solution IMHO.

metude # Friday, April 8, 2011 9:27:27 PM

Originally posted by eXtremo:

Public bugtracker would be a good solution IMHO.

Henrik HelmersHelmers # Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:37:34 PM

Hi there, if you're interested in filing bugs (yes please), please read: http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/

If you report a bug, at least we will look into it. Usually bugs that are either trivial to fix or severe in their consequences get fixed quickly. Sometimes we will let a bug linger, because we have a redesign coming up ahead.

Also-if you are skilled, you can help us! We are still hunting for a Senior UI designer, see http://www.opera.com/company/jobs/opening/271/

I'm afraid I do not have good news for you—we try to test our changes with the default configurations. Things that occur when customizing your UI is harder to cater for (repositioning toolbars, dragging buttons, changing color schemes). The extensions manager is changing again in 11.10, but still colorization does not affect it (as might be expected).

The source of these glitches are sometimes skin issues, sometimes code issues, and other times partly influenced by planetary alignment and current moon phase. We are working on structural changes to make the pieces more robust and easily customizable, but these things take time.

Lastly, I am a bit sceptical to a public bugtracker, as the noise ratio would likely increase, and we would have to be more careful with what information we share.

Henrik HelmersHelmers # Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:44:04 PM

You might also want to try Twitter. You can reach me by @helmers, @opvard (Haavard) is an ever-passionate Windows QA, while @daniela (Daniel) brings swift justice on OS X.

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:57:44 PM

Originally posted by Helmers:

The source of these glitches are sometimes skin issues, sometimes code issues, and other times partly influenced by planetary alignment and current moon phase. We are working on structural changes to make the pieces more robust and easily customizable, but these things take time.

I know the stuff mentioned in my blog post isn't really important for Opera development but.. you know, they are glitches which can annoy sometimes (like "DSK-322225: hardly visible highlighting in page source view"). I don't think it would take much effort to do something with them.

Originally posted by Helmers:

I'm afraid I do not have good news for you—we try to test our changes with the default configurations. Things that occur when customizing your UI is harder to cater for (repositioning toolbars, dragging buttons, changing color schemes).

But for example that bug "DSK-322209: dragging search bar between extension buttons" - it wasn't something no one would ever do - I did that accidentally. And it was a glitch to fix.
"DSK-322211: Wrong color of download details with color scheme applied"
I don't think either it is hard to fix.

A bug mentioned here: http://my.opera.com/eXtremo/blog/2010/04/25/my-default-browser (with favicons over close button) was never fixed even many people reported it (when Glass Native skin was introduced) and some default skin's mods showed it is easy to fix. Now we have a different favtoolbar so I had to switch to the new one but I really preferred the old one.

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Originally posted by Helmers:

Lastly, I am a bit sceptical to a public bugtracker, as the noise ratio would likely increase, and we would have to be more careful with what information we share.

"the noise ratio would likely increase" I don't thinks so. There would be duplicates, they are always, but people would be able also to press "+1" or comment "It happens to me too" on existing issues.

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:58:49 PM

Originally posted by Helmers:

You might also want to try Twitter. You can reach me by @helmers, @opvard (Haavard) is an ever-passionate Windows QA, while @daniela (Daniel) brings swift justice on OS X.

OK, thanks for the info, nice to know there is a separate method to report UI bugs.

Jacek JędrzejewskieXtremo # Saturday, April 9, 2011 7:01:50 PM

And on that bugtracker.. I don't even have a place to report that I can't open MyOpera mail because it reports I have illegal characters in my username (seriously? eXtremo is illegal?). I reported that in blog post comments but I am not sure if someone from OSA even read it..

metude # Saturday, April 9, 2011 7:13:38 PM

Originally posted by Helmers:

If you report a bug, at least we will look into it. Usually bugs that are either trivial to fix or severe in their consequences get fixed quickly. Sometimes we will let a bug linger, because we have a redesign coming up ahead.

As i said above. I know, making a web browser is very complex and hard job. And Opera is not just a web browser. Full-feauterd web suite. M2, Link, Extensions, IRC, Speed dial, tab grouping, widgets, advanced download manager, torrent and many other, small but usefull things.

Originally posted by Helmers:

we would have to be more careful with what information we share.

Can i ask why? Why you should hide bug reports and its status?
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I'm sorry for my poor English.

Henrik HelmersHelmers # Saturday, April 9, 2011 8:47:52 PM

Originally posted by eXtremo:

I reported that in blog post comments but I am not sure if someone from OSA even read it..

Originally posted by eXtremo:

I know the stuff mentioned in my blog post isn't really important for Opera development but

In general, we read much more than we comment on. We also care a lot about the quality of our product! What appears to be an easy (and may even be an easy fix) has to be tested extensively to avoid it causing regressions elsewhere. Easy fixes are often how these glitches are introduced in the first place.

Originally posted by eXtremo:

"the noise ratio would likely increase" I don't thinks so. There would be duplicates, they are always, but people would be able also to press "+1" or comment "It happens to me too" on existing issues.

Originally posted by metude:

Why you should hide bug reports and its status?

Our bug tracker is vital to coordinating our work and processes. As Opera is publicly traded company, any information which may affect the share price (which could mean more or less mean everything in there) is confidential.