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Topic: Age of the earth....

Hey as you may or may not know ^^ we just finished the exams and all so yeah ^^ now I have time again for this kind of fun discussion.
So you talked about the age of the earth, right? The age of the earth itself has different reasons to be that old. The dating methods used are not the only possibility to determine age. Another good indicator for the earth being very old is a star. Did you ever notice that light which hits the earth is millions of years old? It traveled a very far distance to reach the earth. Some people seem to say that the universe is just a couple of thousand years old. There are so many factors which dismiss this argument and that include NOT ONLY the dating methods but a lot of biological and physical processes which take a long time on their own. Lets take the existence of all the complex stars and space fogs. The large scale processes (which also include evolution) take a lot of time.
When it comes to dating, there are always failures to make. For example you have rocks which consist of different rock formations and let us call it “moving” systems. For example the rocks around a volcano. There is a scientific term for it but I forgot it at the moment. So you have this system. This is well known as a “forbidden” zone to try and find the age of something. Because in these kind of systems you always get new rocks covering older rocks and so on. So if this would be measured a lot of confusion and misconception would occur.
The age of the earth on the other hand is a factor which is influenced by many different things. The most important thing when it comes to science is evidence. We have a lot of evidence which shows us that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old. One example for it which determines the age of the earth is the oldest rocks found on earth. They have been dated to be 3.8 – 4.0 billion years old. The problem with exactly dating the earth is that the forming of the earth was a difficult process which didn’t leave evidence directly on earth. But the oldest stone confirm that the earth is at least 4 billion. Now, how do we know it’s around 4.6? A small step closer can be also achieved thru minerals. The oldest mineral which was found on earth is around 4.2 billion years old. I guess you know well enough how the dating method works so I don’t need to explain how we know that they are 4.2 billion years old. Another method is for example the Pb-Isotope method. You can read about it here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html (also a place to find more about the topic)
Anyway got to go now
Cheers
Yannik

PS: Oh yeah almost forgot… There is no point in giving up this discussion. It is more a fun discussion then anything else. It is nice to see other perspectives ^^


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Hi Yannik!
Sorry about it taking so long to answer...I just had to have time to explore that website of yours a bit first:) I have also been reading a book by Dr John G Hartnett that came out in September 2007 called 'Starlight, Time and the New Physics'. It is really interesting and it is all about this question about how we can see stars that are millions of years away when the Earth is just 6000 years old. It also talks about the Big Bang. I suppose you have heard of Dr Russel Humphrey...he is on that website of yours. I read his book two years ago. But as he admits himself, it needs to be worked on. I found this really good article on my favourite website: It is worth reading. (By the way, one of the reasons why I am so attached to this particular group of creationists is that I got to stay with them while I was in Australia two summers ago).
You also mention that biological processes like Evolution must have taken a long time. But evolution must be impossible! For example a reptile lung could never become a bird's lung...it would be infected and the half-reptile-half-bird would die. And then there is this problem about an increase of information. I believe that wolves turned into several dog kinds, but there is this impossibility of a wolf becoming anything else but a dog.
What I do not understand is why some dating methods are so much relied upon. They must be wrong when you have a piece of wood neatly packed inside a whole lot of rock, the wood being dated as being just a few thousand years and then the rock being dated as millions! Also, there is the fact that carbon 14 dating cannot be used to date organic compounds older than 60 000 years. If diamonds and coal are supposed to be millions of years old, why then has there been found some carbon 14 still left in them?
My final question for now would be: Where is the missing link? It is still missing as far as I know...
So, hope to hear from you soon;)
By the way, are you really going to study History at Oslo University like you wrote in that book which the teachers got???!!! That sounds interesting. I have a friend from Thailand who is thinking of doing the same:)

Regards

The Link: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1616

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Hey Veronica,
Okay I checked out the link and the argumentations which are presented. I have to admit that I ignored all the facts which are based on the bible, because the bible is not a scientific book (I hope we agree on that since there are enough problems with the bible… lets say the number of Pi and the water above the atmosphere. These suggestions sound good but they are as it seems to me just scientific speculations which lead to nothing. They contradict a lot with the laws of physic. Lets say for example relativity and the concept of light. Also the clock of the universe suggestion is a little bit confusing since there is not ONE clock which controls the universe. Time is relative. The change in speed of light is also not a good speculation since it contradicts with the understanding of light to a large extent.
Another thing you mention is the C14 dating method. The c14 dating method is only used for organic matter: Animals, bones and so on. Not on rocks to suggest the age of the earth, but this is also mentioned on the homepage I sent you. And of course old rock can be packed around young wood. That just requires a moving system (which I mentioned in the last e mail).
Okay I see why you are into this type of creationism, but I don’t really understand what you meant with your points about evolution. I don’t want to sound mean or so… but to me it seems you don’t know much about evolution since you use arguments which are basically none for example the problem with genetic information. The amoeba has the largest gene pool of all living things so you got basically all information you need to turn an amoeba into any other living thing... With time of course and a lot of evolutionary work. The missing link? Which missing link do you mean? Between humans and apes? Or which missing link do you ask for? I will make it simple and let someone else answer for me (If somebody can say it better than you then use it ^^)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU

Maybe you should also check out his other videos. He is pretty good in explaining.

Yeah I am going to study in Oslo and at the moment I am searching for work, because I will move into my own apartment in Oslo. So I have a lot to do at the moment I just need to hope for the best grades in july.

Cheers
Yannik

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Thanks for that link to those films! Sometimes I actually prefer watching films than reading...he,he...Just one more thing I am curious to know: How do evolutionists explain the polystrate tree fossils?

Regards

Veronica

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Hey,

That’s also simply explained on the website I sent to you ; )

Here is the link: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

cheers

Yannik

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