Show File Extensions in Opera Cache Campaign
Wednesday, 16. July 2008, 18:14:48
If it's important to you then make your voice heard by blogging, Digging and generally making a polite noise to get our request heard and acted upon A.S.A.P.
Spread the word. Use the button.
Opera-Cache-Campaign_450x250.png
Make your voice heard at the Opera Community Forum Thread:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=236231
See comments for availability of Opera Legacy Versions
Spread the word. Use the button.
Opera-Cache-Campaign_450x250.png
Make your voice heard at the Opera Community Forum Thread:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=236231
See comments for availability of Opera Legacy Versions
WIDGETIZE
Jim Cape # 28. July 2008, 09:44
Anonymous # 30. July 2008, 08:41
Removing the cache file extensions will create a permanent user community of 9.27 users and defeat Opera's and every developer's goal of moving all of its users together in one version.
The easiest way to avoid this problem is to remain with 9.27. That version is stable and reliable. Opera says its new versions fix problems on various web sites, but if you never go to one of those sites where Opera doesn't work, who cares? The world is full contented Opera 8 users.
Even when Opera stabilizes 9.5, I see no generally applicable compelling reason for anyone to switch.
However, if you are a developer, permanent stuck user subgroups create problems. Some new security bug appears, and users of the old version want a fix. All it takes is one or two users with clout and you as a developer may have little choice but to accommodate them.
M$ didn't keep Win 98 support for years for home computer builders users but because a few large accounts demanded it. The same thing will happen with XP.
To get Opera to fix this problem, cache file extension users to stick together with 9.27 and go on a "users strike."
Gary Walsh # 7. August 2008, 13:14
I've tried really hard to make a go of 9.51. And the latest 9.52 snapshots, but the problems, and personal dislikes, just make it a pain to use.
Sadly I'm a 9.27 user for the foreseeable future.
Anonymous # 20. August 2008, 10:39
Gary, have you seen this posts over at Firefox:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=804795&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Firefox Takes Lead over Opera Among Photo Collector Surfers
It begins:
Internet Photo Collectors Screwed by Opera's Removal of Cache File Extensions in version 9.5: Come on over to Firefox Land. Grass greener. Water cooler. Cache file extensions too.
-------------------
* Fixed your link - it became truncated and was leading nowhere :up:
Gary
Gary Walsh # 22. August 2008, 19:22
Unfortunately Firefox doesn't really 'do it' for me. It was my main browser for at least a year or more before I found Opera. I still use it and keep it updated but Opera won me over because it did everything without having to keep installing extensions and having them break etc. although that's greatly improved in ff3.
The irony is Opera is throwing away all their good ideas, pissing off it's community, and Firefox is reaping the benefits. Not that I've anything against Mozilla at all. But can't they see what everyone else sees?
Firefox has a flourishing community that does most of the PR work for them, as you demonstrate :)
If Opera continue to ignore it's users, it's users will move on. Simple as that.
P.S.
Avi, your link returns "The requested topic does not exist." I'd like to read the topic if you have an up to date link please?
user258 # 24. August 2008, 10:11
Prompted by it, I looked at the old Opera File Explorer to see if it did anything similar to the program mentioned there. It didn't but it looked like it could be modified.
Gary Walsh # 25. August 2008, 03:54
I'm no coder myself, but I have already formed an plan as to how it can be done by using something like TrID. It can scan and identify file types from their binary signatures. It can also rename files. There is a Command Line version. This plus a simple batch file or using AutoIT to create a nice front end GUI might well be all that's required. There is a Win32 app as well but requires the .net framework which I don't have on this pc so can't evaluate. A Linux version exists too but nothing for Mac.
TrID: http://mark0.net/soft-trid-e.html
user258 # 26. August 2008, 08:06
I think I got it with the CD with J.S. Lyster's Opera 5.x book. I think it is a 16-bit program and worked with the Windows 3.1 versions of Opera.
I have no idea of the programming language or if the author, Josef W. Segur, is still around and the source code found. Maybe someone can find the author.
I understand that the program is a 16-bit program. I think I saw that written somewhere.
Remarkably, it looks like Opera hasn't changed the format of the dcache4.url file since Windows 3.1 and DOS, and the program still works. I haven't got any of the other functions in the program to work with 9.5.
I haven't found any cut and paste capability or an alternative copy to capability in the program.
The program shows the Opera cache file names and mime type. It has an explorer interface. Importantly, the program can sort by column, so you can arrange files by size, date, or mime type. It looks like the program already has the hardest parts written, reading the dcache4.url file and displaying the results.
It looks like the program needs three additional functions. 1) It needs code for the copy part of copy and paste -- I don't see a need to paste into the cache -- and code to look at the mime type and add an extension before or after the copy operation.
2) It should have code for copy to, for a single step copy operation to a directory, like Iran view and Mozilllcacheview do.
3) It should have code for a double click and right click option to open and to open with so you can simply open the file. The code would also need to add an extension before passing the file name to the operating system for opening per the extension. Mozillecacheview has a right click option to open in the browser. It would seem trivial to additionally open with the operating system.
The program so modified would address users who want to look at photos and to open files. This would not help those who want cache files indexed with a indexer program, like in Vista, and openable in a results page.
This solution would not help non Windows versions.
Mozillacache view includes the original file name and the cache name in properties for the file. That would be nice but not necessary.
Bottom line: Can anyone reach the program author and ask him to evaluate all this?
Gary Walsh # 26. August 2008, 19:27
http://users.westelcom.com/jsegur/
ddhyett # 6. November 2008, 20:17
I will stay with 9.27 until there is a solution that works for me. I'd like a program that places all image files (or whatever filetype I specify) of a specified size range that I see on my browser to a folder of todays date. Also a index file that I can find out where each file came from would be nice.
I will investigate OCV as well as the option of dropping Windows altogether and using linux. Anyone know if the linux versions were modified as well?
Chirag # 11. November 2008, 16:03
Gary Walsh # 9. December 2008, 01:42
Chirag # 9. December 2008, 16:29
Gary Walsh # 10. December 2008, 11:10
The best we can do, I think, is to hammer away at the Opera Dev people for an option to switch extensions back on. Though I not sure how interested in actual user opinions they are. They obviously have their roadmap and I'm not sure if we figure beyond being cheap beta testers.
I'm cynical yes, but and optimist and a fighter.
It would be foolish to give up the campaign though and I think we ought to be a thorn in their side until they relent and give us what we want.
We need to work as a team on this I think. I will give the idea some thought. Contributions welcome of course.
Chirag # 11. December 2008, 17:14
Anonymous # 6. March 2009, 23:51
Great to find this site! I have been mystified why I can't find anything in the cache any more on my Mac (Opera 9.6 for some time) and on my PC ("upgraded" to 9.6 just this week. Now I know. Opera folks, this was a big mistake, removing an important function that I rely on constantly.
Anonymous # 10. March 2009, 22:03
I just can 100 % agree on the complaints.
My solution is to use the old version (that I wisely kept) in parallel.
The ONLY reason I upgraded were issues with ebay. Version 9.23 can´t handle some pull down menues in ebay.
It is nearly always a mess with "upgrades" i.e. restoring old settings (skin (this new dark default skin is horrible e.g. for bookmark folders), buttons, new MHT Quick Saver version etc. etc.)
And now this cache issue!
V e r y a n n o y i n g !!!!
Gary Walsh # 11. March 2009, 10:33
I still adore the excellent Firefox extension Firebug. Used locally for design it's great; The internet, at a push.
If anyone requires older versions of Opera, or Firefox for that matter, try OldApps.com, OldVersion.com, or Old-Versions.net. I'm not sure if all O/S are represented, you'll have to check yourself. I have some old Win32 OperaUSB versions too if required.
Anonymous # 11. March 2009, 17:14
Im a real and long-term(5 years) Opera fan but seems like this product goes in wrong direction. For me it is a big lack if I cannt access normal web cache. If Opera's audience are teenagers, lamers and house wifes with viruses then bye bye. One from solutions could be alternative download with normal web cache, normal extensions. Or somekind of plugin for this feature like, FireFox.
Anonymous # 18. March 2009, 16:55
Hello there Gary, randomly came up here via google :D I have been using opera for ages as well.
I just had a blog malfuction as my image hosting went over limit, the point being i went into operas cache, and I just shat myself as I have been using opera forever as well.
I was like wtf is this i had to drag n drop to opne images from the cache file, my cache is huge im a blogger. Opera has let me down with this scene, I cant preview my cache to restore the images my main revenue earning blog got.
Im now gonna check and hope my IE history has it, its the backup browser. I aint too fond of FF, though im considering installing it again, I dont want to OPERA!!!
Iv been recommending people to use you since 98!!! dont let us down like this....
Peace and Love,
Clyde :)
Anonymous # 29. June 2009, 06:40
I truly apreciate the wonderful program that the Opera people have written. I think they are geniouses. The Opera browser was and still is my favorite browser, the only thing that comes even close is FireFox. Among few small reasons, in FireFox it is deficult to find and checkup on their cache. And even when you find the cache window, there is no way of knowing what file is what. But in Opera it is so easy to find the Cache and you can easily tell the file types apart because it says so right there on the list. They are just geniouses. No Wait! What Happened to the File-type list?
Anonymous # 21. July 2009, 13:57
Lots of people have praised Opera-browser for its speed.
But they really must have gone mad thinking that some itty bitty speed improvement is worth it to hack and cut away some core functionality.
Now it is no longer possible to browse and copy cached files from Opera, in your own filemanager like Windows-Explorer or Total Commander.
So instead of performing actions for hundreds of files at a time, you must examine and handle each and every file 1 by 1.
Speed improvement, HA HA HA HA
All good things come to an end because of those who think that standing still is going back!!!
Anonymous # 27. July 2009, 20:21
The excuse for the extensions loss would be speed, they say.
So please everyone, if you ever are offered to fill in an Opera survey again, fill in the importance of SPEED at the lowest and least important.
Because as long as all surveys are praising Opera for its speed they wont change this option back !!!
Anonymous # 25. August 2009, 10:27
I think the "security" pertains to webmaster's copyrights. Opera doesn't want to be a direct party to those cache surfers who download stuff they find on the Web onto their cell phones - that constitutes a "theft" even if it's a "sample."
I stay with Microsoft Internet Explorer as it still writes file extensions. I make it very easy for collection - I use Sandboxie which stores all the files in a sandbox folder that I can easily go into. Plus Sandboxie traps any ActiveX or other nasty surprises like the hoaxer antiviruses that self-install as you brows. I just shut the sandbox down, dump the rubbish, save the files and continue browsing as if nothing happened.
Anonymous # 4. September 2009, 01:27
Just installed Opera 10. I want my file extensions back. Will go back to my Opera version 9.26.
Anonymous # 4. September 2009, 01:57
Gary, I have just read your offer of an Opera USB version. Do you still have it available? :-)
Thanks!
Anonymous # 4. September 2009, 12:00
Man, I so much miss Opera... After giving it a couple hours of full use, I think I will leave Opera 10 as default browser and give it a shot.
I have been using FF as default for one year now. Opera was my default until v9.5 came out and v9.26 did not render many sites like it should have.
Anyways, as I develop on the web, I do have 6 browsers installed and I often use FF 3.5.2, Opera 9.26, IE 8 and Chrome, in that order.
I think I will search for another solution to these cache file extensions issue.
Opera 10 might bring me back to the good Opera days... :-)
Cheers.
Anonymous # 7. September 2009, 04:41
Why must they hurt me so.
Gary Walsh # 26. September 2009, 21:03
I've just had a root around and found I have more than I imagined. I think these are all Opera@USB builds unless indicated by the file name. Make your request and I shall upload.
Caveat: For numerous reasons, including that of security, it is recommended that one always use the latest version, which can be found here: www.opera.com. These legacy files are for people who know what they are doing and accept the risks. OK?
Opera Browser Legacy Versions:
opera926en.exe
opera927en.zip
Operau927DE_EN.zip
opera950en.zip
opera951en.zip
Opera_951_en_Setup.exe
o952s_10089m.exe
Windows Classic o952s_10089.exe
upgrade960.zip
opera960en.zip
opera962en.zip
opera963en.zip
opera964en.zip
Opera_964_en_Setup.exe
up964.zip
location ref: E:\[ software ]\( Browsers - Legacy Browsers )\
Anonymous # 1. November 2009, 17:02
Another 9.27 user here. I saw the Opera 10 notice when I launched it the other day and decided to give it a try (on a virtual machine, just in case) and, what do you know, the cache still didn't have the extensions back.
I have IE7 and the latest versions of FF and Chrome installed, but I still use Opera as my first browser simply because of the cache (I have a shortcut to it on the desktop and use it all the time), and because it has what still is the best interface of them all. I can replicate it more or less in Firefox (some gestures, speed dial, tabs on the right side), but there's always something missing ("copy as note" and customized search engines are a must for me), and it's generally a pain to deal with.
Just as I still use ACDSee Classic, I'll keep using the 9.27 Opera until I see a reason to change, and vague promises of speed in an already fast program just don't cut it. Incompatibility issues will keep piling up, but IE will always be there for those cases, so I'm not worried.
Anonymous # 7. November 2009, 14:14
Hello,
I've installed Opera 10 (last version) on brand new Win 7 ultimate and I'm very disappointed to see that there was not extension in the opera cache so i'll go back to 9.26.
I'ts a pity not doing profit of new version of this excellent browser but it's really important to be able to recover files in the cache with there ext.
Jim Cape # 14. December 2009, 11:43
Gary Walsh # 15. December 2009, 23:34
Originally posted by jim0214:
I quite agree Jim. Good Intentions often wreak havoc. Also I don't take kindly to being nannied.
Anonymous # 16. December 2009, 12:49
I think the reason opera did away with extensions is because of all the newbs infecting themselves while browsing through the cache willy-nilly. And since they are NOOBS they dont have/understand appropriate security software to block/delete bad cache in the first place. The problem here is most of the internet community ARE noobs and opera must cater to such a high demographic in order to survive. Like FF and Chrome adheres primarily to noobs and their noobish use of browsers modifying it to suite noobs accordingly. Well we are not NOOBS! Most of us here know how to manage cache files properly and securely, in accordinance with propper software.. If we were the same clueless newbs we would NOT be using opera. We would be on noob browser forums ignorantly promoting FF and Chrome.
Until Opera realizes its users are knowledgeable computer users that understand cache extensions, they will not bring it back. Sad really.