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..Strange i have windows, but not groups..How to create groups?

I didn't know that... Nice feature though.
@pursanovd I think groups and windows are the same thing.

Originally posted by pursanovd:

..Strange i have windows, but not groups..How to create groups?

windows = groups

aa...Not the behaviour i expected I don't have many windows opened, so the feature can't be used by me Still thanks, nice feature to do smth with several tabs at once.

Originally posted by pursanovd:

..Strange i have windows, but not groups..How to create groups?

+1

I use this feature from the very beginning. I have usually many tabs opened. When I start another project, I open all related tabs in second window.
I miss only feature to save session only from chosem window.

Excellent advice Haavard Thank you

Originally posted by Jurgi:

I miss only feature to save session only from chosem window.

But, there is an option to "Only save active window"

Originally posted by Jurgi:

I miss only feature to save session only from chosem window.

When you select 'Save This Session...' just tick the 'Only save active window' and that should do the trick.

Opera has a solution for everything, the problem is, noone has fully explored the capabilities of it, as many things are complex or counterintuitive...

When i saw Tab Candy demonstration I thought: Opera had that long time ago, it is panel "Windows"! But they nevertheless realized it much better.

Excellent, but I would like to group tabs into one window

Now, if it would be more like treestyletabs (see: 'https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890/'), I might have more use for it...

What detached Windows or multi run of Opera is doing groups is that it, not very handy and Opera crashed after i done that, no wonder that was disabled from default...

Originally posted by pursanovd:

I don't have many windows opened, so the feature can't be used by me

Isn't that kind of the point? You can use windows as groups. So you can use it just fine.

It's not bad, but I wouldn't say we have the tab candy feature. This requires a change in usage (i always use one window), windows can't be named afaik, and it's not as aesthetically pleasing. Also, much like tabcandy, it is a manual process. I want some logic and algorithms to group my tabs instead of me manually arranging them.

Side note: Chrome has a tabcandy-like extension. I sure wish we (the opera community) could copy/emulate other browser-features in a matter of days. :-\

Originally posted by fearphage:

Chrome has a tabcandy-like extension. I sure wish we (the opera community) could copy/emulate other browser-features in a matter of days.

Aren't that just the same as what you get on Opera when you open 'windows' side panel

Tab candy is not new. Its just another opera feature implemented in a different way!!

Probably combining this with "Group similar task bar icons" option in windows, makes it better!

http://files.myopera.com/Tamil/Smilies/Happy.gif -

@Baldric, @Mark Schenk — thank, I haven't been using this for some time, it seems, that I overlooked the change.

Opera is like Simpson cartoon, whatever is happening in web browsers world - Opera did it already...

Originally posted by MyOpera team, please fix this!:

I sure wish we (the opera community) could copy/emulate other browser-features in a matter of days. :-\

We can't copy/emulate every browser-feature, but we have the capabilities to copy/emulate quite a few - yet the community doesn't... I've given up thinking it's down to the lack of tools to do so.

I CAN'T

I too wish that tabs could be grouped within a single window like with Firefox's Treestyle Tabs.

How can I prevent that all the Opera windows are visible in the taskbar? I only want to see one.

removed -mod

Originally posted by serola:

Aren't that just the same as what you get on Opera when you open 'windows' side panel

Yes, very similar but it was added by an extension. It's more similar to tabcandy than the window panel though.

Originally posted by lucideer:

We can't copy/emulate every browser-feature, but we have the capabilities to copy/emulate quite a few - yet the community doesn't... I've given up thinking it's down to the lack of tools to do so.

I'm not good at writing dll's myself.

- Windows ARE groups.
- Windows offer you SOME flexibility, by allowing tab dragging between them.
- Windows panel is very handy, with filter

but windows are also very limited, for example,

- its impossible to move for example 15 tabs from one window to another in one action.

- its impossible to group windows, rather than saving them in session

- its impossible to manage tabs and windows from some specific session, without loading it

- its impossible to save just a part of open tabs as a session

- window panel provide only favicon and title

________

Now lets look at TabCandy:
- user can have as much tabs as he wants, groups with infinite nesting, ability to organize them and no need to keep them active.

This sets us one level up in the abstraction, above MDI, as we stop thinking of tabs as "tabs", but rather of "files".
tabs = files, groups = folders
Just like you work in windows, you can rename folder, make new folder, delete it, move files or folders between each other.

Its really the future of the browsing.

Originally posted by c69:

Now lets look at TabCandy:

Over-engineered, slow, cumbersome. About sums it up.

- user can have as much tabs as he wants, groups with infinite nesting, ability to organize them and no need to keep them active.

Huh? I just tried the latest TC build. No nesting there as far as I could tell. Just one level.

Its really the future of the browsing.

Nope. Too over-engineered and cumbersome.

Also, why the Tab Candy spam? This is a blog post about Opera, not a playground for Firefox fanboys to spam Firefox propaganda.

"It might not be obvious that it can be used for this purpose"

Very true I'd missed it, I will be making use of Windows much more in the future.
Thanks for a great tip

Lol! I'm using Opera windows for grouping since year 2000 (:

i cant get use to it, my taskbar items number will grow... and win 7 and its group options are system wide...

Can anyone think of a way to do this in Opera without having to have a window for each group?

nice to know

Well... Probably i can use some info later. Windows=groups Are you joking, right? That wasn't useful, but logical. Not much guy use it this way.
BTW! I should send a nice cold apng cake for a "huh?"-er DORK and regular troll but now i'm on Mini, and i tired of this ancient tab system. So i skip it.

Originally posted by praetor87:

Well... Probably i can use some info later. Windows=groups Are you joking, right?

Why would he be joking? And why are you blatantly insulting him by twisting his words and mocking him? Hope he bans you.

That wasn't useful, but logical. Not much guy use it this way.

Just because you personally don't need tab grouping doesn't mean that no one else does. So quit your whining, and go away.

He was saying he didn't need tabs grouped by windows, he just needed tabs to be able to be grouped within a window. I'd like to be able to do this too and it's something that Tree Style Tabs and other things allow, but which Opera cannot do.

prd3... You are actually just a troll. I hope you will get a life, after you stop abusing the community. Good luck for this!

Originally posted by Astrophizz:

He was saying he didn't need tabs grouped by windows, he just needed tabs to be able to be grouped within a window.

No, he claimed that it was a "joke" that you could group tabs by using windows. But he's wrong. You can actually do that. He's the joke here.

Originally posted by MyOpera team, please fix this!:

I'm not good at writing dll's myself.

As I'm fairly sure you well know (as you and I have had this discussion before) I'm referring to Unite.

Originally posted by Constantine Vesna:

its impossible to move for example 15 tabs from one window to another in one action.

Nope, you can do that fairly easily in the Windows panel - is this not working for you?

Originally posted by Constantine Vesna:

its impossible to manage tabs and windows from some specific session, without loading it

+1 Proper session management would be sweet.

Originally posted by Constantine Vesna:

- its impossible to save just a part of open tabs as a session

You can save one window (i.e. one "group" of tabs) as a session. Isn't this what you mean?

Originally posted by corppneq:

How can I prevent that all the Opera windows are visible in the taskbar? I only want to see one.

You could set Windows to combine windows from applications on the taskbar's proprieties.

I have also discovered this tab grouping and managing technique about 1 month ago (see http://www.reddit.com/r/operabrowser/comments/cqsol/one_more_opera_trick_managing_tabs/ ).

It is good, but could be better, i few years ago proposed hierarchical tabs: http://my.cn.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=278540&t=1281115599&page=1#comment3041034

But now I can somehow live with current sollution. Just have many windows. Of course it window manager could do better, but web browsers already manage tabs, so it could be just taken further.

Originally posted by c69:

- its impossible to move for example 15 tabs from one window to another in one action.
- its impossible to group windows, rather than saving them in session
- its impossible to manage tabs and windows from some specific session, without loading it
- its impossible to save just a part of open tabs as a session
- window panel provide only favicon and title
________

Now lets look at TabCandy:
- user can have as much tabs as he wants, groups with infinite nesting, ability to organize them and no need to keep them active.
This sets us one level up in the abstraction, above MDI, as we stop thinking of tabs as "tabs", but rather of "files".
tabs = files, groups = folders. Just like you work in windows, you can rename folder, make new folder, delete it, move files or folders between each other.

My good friend you should THINK before you repeat a lie.
1) [click]+[Shift-Click]+[drag-n-drop] multiselects and moves many tabs at once.
2) You can treat one window (or several) as one file. This may not be super-granular but I think it is enough.
3) +1 for a Unite-based tool that does this.
4) New window, multiselect+dragndrop, save single window as session.
5) This could be improved slightly, but it would negate the utility of the panel. (Icons are too big) Hovering does show the thumbnail, yet tools like sorting tabs by domain would be great. Or sorting tabs by age. Sessions should be better-exposed in general.
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1) I hate to tell you this, but they are called bookmarks and they are not new. Opera's bookmarks can provide effectively everything above, if you wish to treat them this way.
2) Tabs=Bookmarks by that metric. Unless you want each tab to be a self-contained database file attached to an index. Super customizable but much slower to index and much slower to load. You would also need a major redesign of tabs bar and windows panel, few people would use it and many could never like it. And this would mostly be an advantage on netbooks, where Opera's window-based sessions are working just fine.
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I will give you one thing: the small saved-session files should be available as a service of Opera Link. It would be possible to attach sessions via Link with nearly ZERO change to the interface, and it would have definite benefits for some users.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Originally posted by corppneq:

How can I prevent that all the Opera windows are visible in the taskbar? I only want to see one.

You could set Windows to combine windows from applications on the taskbar's proprieties.

Gnome!? I wished window combining would be a Opera feature.

Originally posted by corppneq:

Gnome!?

Are you sure Gnome can't do that? KDE has this option...

Haavard, bug DSK-309450 don't allow do what you say on Mac.

@lucideer, @Cutting Spoon
Thanx for Ctrl+select and move tip, somehow i missed that completely.