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Noah Counte

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Debate III

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Tonight is the night for the third and final 2008 US Presidential debate. The first two went to Obama, according to focus groups run by the networks, CNN and FOX. McCain needs to hit one out of the park, and he told a group in Arlington, Virgina this this weekend that he's going to "whip his [Obama's]you-know-what in this debate," and then campaign 24/7 until the election.


McCain said on Tuesday in St. Louis, that he was going to go after Obama on William Ayers during the debate. The Obama campaign said "we'll talk abou the economy." It's an issue that isn't going to go away, and it's the issue that most interests independent voters.

But if I were Obama, which I'm not, I would stray from the economy long enough to respond to the Ayers accusations with a parry (it was a long time ago, and a lot of Chicago Republicans had just as much contact with Ayers as Obama did - those Republicans think Ayers is a non-issue) and a couple of thrusts of my own:

First, Sarah Palin's husband was a card-carrying secessionist until 2002. Remember the last time a state tried to seceed? It prompted the Civil War. 618,000 dead. Why, that's tantamount to domestic terrorism! He was friends with the leader of the Alaska Secession Party, who feels there is nothing in the US for Alaskans. That doesn't reconcile easily with the current Palin mantra about how the US is the "greatest force for good in the world" (a statement that has become a sore point for some of her Christian friends who thought God was the greatest force for good in the world).

The second thing that I think would really open some eyes is McCain's relationship with William Timmons, who has been picked to run McCains transition team should he win the election. Timmons is a lobbyist. One of his clients was Saddam Hussein, for whom he lobbied to relax US sanctions against Iraq. Just so we're clear, this is the same Sadam Hussein who McCain refers to as a one-time menace to the region who had "stated categorically that he would acquire weapons of mass destruction, and he would use them wherever he could." Really? Some kid who was part of an organization that planted dynamite disqualifies Obama, but his own ties to the dictatorial leader of Iraq is not disqualifying?

Please. Spare us the Ayers' nonsense, so we don't have to deal with the hypocritical finger pointing, and lets talk about the economy.

If they do get around to talking about the economy (and they should - it's supposedly the topic), I hope Obama will point out McCains big plan - freezing spending (well, not defense spending - we'll raise that) - means pain for huge groups of Americans who will see a cut in real spending for:

  • breast cancer research
  • children's health
  • student loans
  • Food Stamps
  • early childhood education
  • the national parks
  • all biomedical research
  • unemployment benefits
  • funding to help poor people pay their energy bills
  • loans to small businesses
  • solar energy
  • infrastructure projects, such as fixing roads and bridges
  • hurricane forecasting and flood control
McCain's Jobs for America Plan spells it out.

Maybe we'll see a real debate tonight. I'm not holding my breath, but you never know. I just hope the candidates tell us something truthful that will improve our lives directly next year.

In other news, Vice President Cheney is in the hospital (irregular heart rhythm). I wonder who's running the country?

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Comments

ripp2002 15. October 2008, 17:37

Damn, they are going to waste my viewing of important shows. :irked:

idiots...

:devil:

noah counte 15. October 2008, 17:58

Hahaha. No "Dancing with the Stars"? :cry:

daxonmacs 15. October 2008, 18:17

Nice post, again, Matt.
Hows Obama according to the polls btw?
Once again it's slandering in stead of debating eh?
And they are supposed to represent us.
Kiddies .... tss

ellinidata 15. October 2008, 20:44

I was delighted to see this morning on CNN that a 16 % difference is in order!
imagine by tomorrow!
I have no TV reception today due to a city police antenna replacement on our roof,
I depend on friends to give me the picture tomorrow ...Radio will be in a full blast tonight ! :smile:

noah counte 16. October 2008, 02:15

I'm listening to the radio, too. I don't think there have been any homeruns, and there are just 15 minutes left.

noah counte 16. October 2008, 02:39

Well, there were actual exchanges tonight.

They both did pretty well, but Obama didn't screw up, and he sounded credible and presidential. McCain need to do more than look presidential - he needed to convince people that Obama will be the ruination of the nation. I don't think he did that.

solid copper 16. October 2008, 03:50

Well, McCain looked old and sick to me, especially the first ten minutes or so. And the way he introduced Joe the plumber seemed petty of him, though he might think that was well done.

PainterWoman 16. October 2008, 03:58

I liked watching the double screen so you could see the facial expressions of one while the other was talking. Very interesting... and telling.

noah counte 16. October 2008, 04:13

Joe the Plumber didn't seem too pleased, either - though he seems to be leaning towards McCain (unlike anuyone else they polled after the debate).

I listened on the radio (no facial expressions), but McCain sounded meaner to me.

PainterWoman 16. October 2008, 04:35

Well, at least they got Joe Six pack and Joe the Plumber now on their side.

ellinidata 16. October 2008, 12:06

It appears that despite McCains relatively good preformance last night, Obamas %s are even higher today.
That's bad news for the Republicans.
I found Obama smart enough to be collected and not tell McCain what I would have said:
"Tell Palin to stop talking all together!"

As for McCain he was not sharp at all last night,
his voice sounded as he was about to have a stroke.

McCain also never mentioned the experience factor ,
I guess he knew that another attack on Barack it will make him look ever worse...

Even with things looking really good for Obama,
we can not rest,
our support for him it should continue in a full speed..
three weeks to go....:heart:

Quinnuendo 16. October 2008, 20:43

Very good post. And yes I have guessed that with McCain's experience and age he has for sure known or lived in the neighborhood with someone who was an extremist. The facts are even worse that I guessed.

And the plans for freezing stuff are just horrible. Money looses value, prices go up (that is natural in economy) but we will still give the same amounts to important services. Great. But let's give all the money we have to defend the country by sending troops to die half the globe away. Yeah sounds good.

Damn you Masters of War



From what I heard, Obama definitely won the last debate, though the percentage varies.

Oh and the answer to the last question in the post: it's similar to what they tend to say here at Opera, "Someone relesed the monkeys from the cage" :D

noah counte 17. October 2008, 01:23

Hahah. Those monkeys have their pesky little prehensile fingers in everything!

PainterWoman 27. October 2008, 16:40

Matt, you have to see this video on Clance's blog (Unasia):

http://my.opera.com/Unasia/blog/2008/10/27/dance-off?cid=6283700

noah counte 27. October 2008, 17:24

Yes, I thought that was hilarious.

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