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I've been reading "The Library at Night," by Alberto Manguel. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes books, libraries, information or order. Manguel has his own, personal library, which is quite astounding, and he related the history of libraries, from Alexandria through the Library of Congress and Google. He touches on Asian libraries, European libraries, American libraries, and virtual libraries (plus a host of libraries not mentioned in my short list). The book, though, is really about a love affair with books. It's a love that's been shared by many, for centuries - millennia, even. This is the first book of Manguel's that I've read, but I will be seeking out the rest. He's a fabulous writer...

...And he started me thinking:


Order Begets Order.

People like order. Of course, some like more order than others. I think we can agree, though, that any trip to the library is made less irritating by the fact that they've shelved the books in a way that permits you to find what you are looking for. Most public libraries in the United States use the Dewey Decimal system. It's named after Melvil Dewey, a 19th Century librarian with a need for order and an eye for the ladies. Rumor has it that he had a librarian in every port. It's brilliant, if you ask me, that a man should go into librarianship at a time when every librarian in the country was a woman. Dewey was a librarian and an educator. His major contribution to libraries was to create order -- . He also was a proponent of spelling reform, and is responsible for such American English innovations as the spelling of "catalog" (versus "catalogue").

The Dewey Decimal Classification is so called, because it divides all knowledge into ten divisions, which are further divided into ten divisions, which are further divided into ten more divisions. If two books share a number (based on the divisions), they are separated alphabetically by author. As you might guess, a system designed in the 19th century by one man poses some problems. The 200s are Religion, and originally Christianity was a top level division, while all other religions were sub-divisions. That means that 200-289 was to Christianity, while all the other religions of the world shared just 290-299. Sure, you can cram it all in, but it's a bias. The Classification has been changed 22 times since its inception in 1876, but it remains Christian-centric (and male-centric, and Ameri/Euro-centric, among other things).

The Dewey Decimal Classification stops subdividing at the third level. But classification demands more classification. Think about all the images on your hard drive. You might divide them into people, plants and things. That might make them more manageable, but soon you'd need to separate friends from family, birthday celebrations from funerals, trees from flowers, cars from buildings... If it can be classified, you can bet someone's tried it. The point is, the more stuff you add to your collection, the more the stuff you have suggests ways to further separate your stuff from the other stuff you have.

And subdivision creates confusion, because no order fits all materials perfectly and the more specific your order gets, the harder it is to fit general items. Does that picture of a Jerusalem artichoke go with your pictures of foods or your pictures of flowers? Does Chekhov's "Strange Confessions" land in Russian Lit. or Detective Fiction? Is Defoe's "Robinson Crusoe" 19th Century Lit. or does it belong in the Travel Section, beside "Gulliver's Travels," perhaps? For everyone who expects to find it in one place, there will be someone who is upset not to find it in the other.

Why? Because order imputes a world view. Finding something in the "wrong" place challenges our world view, and it's much easier to complain about mis-shelving or mis-cataloging, than it is to think about why we want to find things in a particular place that makes sense to us. Everyone should share our sense of what makes sense!

There are an infinite number of ways to order things. Islamic libraries in the late middle ages used a purely alphabetical system. Chinese libraries have used symbols to divide the universe for at least two millennia - and inside their broad categories, they've used some interesting schemes to provide sub-order. Rhyming last words, for example. An "Autobiography of Abraham Lincoln" might sit next to a "List of Cheese That's Stinkin'." Books can be ordered by size, or subject, or author's name, just to name a few of the obvious things that differentiate one thing from another. My favorite classification scheme is from the movie "High Fidelity," in which John Cusack's character rearranges his record collection autobiographically. Not based on the artists' bios, but based on where he was in his life when he bought the record. Genius! Completely useless to the rest of the world, but fully absorbed with meaning for a depressive 30-something going nowhere while the rest of the world enjoys their lives. At the same time, it perfectly defines the personal nature of our relationship with music.

This week, I plan to re-order my books.

If it interests you, check out your Dewey Decimal Classification:

Noah Counte's Dewey Decimal Section:
385 Railroad transportation
Noah Counte's birthday: 4/22/1963 = 422+1963 = 2385

Class:
300 Social Sciences

Contains:
Books on politics, economics, education and the law.

What it says about you:
You are good at understanding people and finding the systems that work for them. You like having established reasoning behind your decisions. You consider it very important for your friends to always have your back.

Honey HoneyToday's Soundtrack

Comments

dragon_harrower 1. December 2008, 17:52

:eyes: I'm going to have to get that book!

Excellent little post by the way. :yes: I love books. :love:

noah counte 1. December 2008, 18:25

Books pwn. Thanks for reading, Casey. The book is stellar, and it's made me hungry to read everything else he's written, too.

dragon_harrower 1. December 2008, 18:54




dragon_harrower's Dewey Decimal Section:

964 Northwest African coast & offshore islands

dragon_harrower = 48175481885358 = 481+754+818+853+58 = 2964


Class:
900 History & Geography


Contains:
Travel, biographies, ancient history, and histories of continents.



What it says about you:
You're connected to your past and value the things that have happened to you. You've had some conflicted times in your life, but they've brought you to where you are today and you don't ignore it.

Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com


noah counte 1. December 2008, 19:36

I've always liked history and geography :smile:

dragon_harrower 1. December 2008, 19:52

So have I. :smile:I liked Social Studies too.

lekrot 1. December 2008, 21:13

Very interesting post. Here is my result, which I find :up: :D:




Torkel Freed's Dewey Decimal Section:

949 Other parts of Europe

Torkel Freed = 05815268554 = 058+152+685+54 = 949


Class:
900 History & Geography


Contains:
Travel, biographies, ancient history, and histories of continents.



What it says about you:
You're connected to your past and value the things that have happened to you. You've had some conflicted times in your life, but they've brought you to where you are today and you don't ignore it.

Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com


noah counte 2. December 2008, 00:16

Torkel! What a pleasant surprise. And it's not terribly surprising that we should find you in "other parts of Europe," is it? I suppose I should check to see what the parts of Europe that aren't "other" are...


940 General history of Europe
941 General history of Europe; British Isles
942 General history of Europe; England & Wales
943 General history of Europe; Central Europe Germany
944 General history of Europe; France & Monaco
945 General history of Europe; Italian Peninsula & adjacent islands
946 General history of Europe; Iberian Peninsula & adjacent islands
947 General history of Europe; Eastern Europe; Soviet Union
948 General history of Europe; Northern Europe; Scandinavia



They just missed a bit! You should be 948!

PainterWoman 2. December 2008, 06:02




PainterWoman's Dewey Decimal Section:

173 Ethics of family relationships

PainterWoman = 619405835314 = 619+405+835+314 = 2173


Class:
100 Philosophy & Psychology


Contains:
Books on metaphysics, logic, ethics and philosophy.



What it says about you:
You're a careful thinker, but your life can be complicated and hard for others to understand at times. You try to explain things and strive to express yourself.

Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com


lekrot 2. December 2008, 10:21

Matt, thanks for the correction :smile: I was a bit confused :eyes:
The passage about the past is interesting. My major at the university was history and I used to teach history and religion :up: and the geography is part of my other job as tourleader for journeys to China and Italy.

noah counte 2. December 2008, 13:08

It was less a correction than a tip of the hat to the folks that design these quizes, Torkel. I do a good number of them at Solid Copper's blog, and they are surprisingly accurate.

How is the tour business, with the economy falling? Are people still traveling?

PainterWoman 2. December 2008, 15:31

Surprisingly accurate is right. Sometimes it's unnerving! However, it is interesting to note that when I put in my real name, it had me in economics and math which would be so wrong. This has happened in several of these blog thingies. I've done quite a few on Isabel's blog.

I think my alter ego is the real me. Yes? No?

noah counte 2. December 2008, 16:07

Heh. I suspect that there is a lot of you in your alter ego. I had the same issue with my real name - though Noah Counte seems fairly accurate (on so many levels :lol: )

PainterWoman 2. December 2008, 16:36

Same here. I think my real last name throws it off. I was married to an Italian who was an accounting and business major in college. 'Numbers men' and 'paint brush women' don't go well together.:D

noah counte 2. December 2008, 18:32

I talked to a mathmatician the other day, who thinks math departments would wash out fewer majors if math was taught as an art, rather than a science.

The convergence of math and art dates back to the beginning of math, in the academic sense. Probably to the beginning of art, in the real sense.

PainterWoman 2. December 2008, 18:40

DaVinci knew a lot about math and science. So did Michelangelo. If math could be taught the way artists use it, maybe I wouldn't have such a hard time with it. College Algebra is the one and only class that keeps me from my Bachelor's Degree in Fine Art. :faint: At 60, I'm not about to take it now.

noah counte 2. December 2008, 18:55

Don't let it psyche you out. Algebra is much easier than you were told! It's all just addition, subraction, multiplication and division.

Renaissance art and architecture was all about math. Brunelleschi was infamous for his ratios. The Golden Ratio (and the Fibonacci Spiral) was understood by the Greeks and Egyptians for centuries before Christ was born. Symmetry, patterns and tilings... It's all math.

And then there's music...

edwardpiercy 2. December 2008, 19:00

I guess I could look it up, but how does the Library of Congress filing system fit into all of it?

Also, with things getting more and more global, and with the internet and books accessible on-line (or soon to be), how does that fit with different classification systems.





PainterWoman 2. December 2008, 19:15

"It's all just addition, subraction, multiplication and division."

I can do all of that but as soon as x, y and z is substituted my mind goes blank. I had one math teacher tell me I suffered from discalculea. I used to know what that meant but I forget.

noah counte 2. December 2008, 19:53

The Library of Congress (LC) classification system is one that permits infinite subclassifications. It's an attempt to be "neutral," which it does fairly well (I would argue). Of course, what it lacks in bias, it makes up for in minutia. :lol:

There are LC subject headings for such topics as:

bat binding
sewage: collected works
chickens in art and folklore

edwardpiercy 2. December 2008, 21:57

It's about time that somebody acknowledged the fine art of bat binding.

Although to be honest, I have a hard time getting the duct tape around the little critters' bodies.

noah counte 2. December 2008, 22:40

Catch 'em while they're sleeping, brother! Then let me know ho you did - I'm writing a literature review for "platypi as political representation through history."

edwardpiercy 2. December 2008, 22:43

I had quite enough of platypi during the last election. But I know -- "Publish or Perish."

noah counte 2. December 2008, 22:50

Hehe. I haven't been part of the "publish or perish" scene yet, except as a consumer (and offspring). I'm hoping to change that very soon, less because I'm interested in publishing, than because I'm very interested in the job that requires it.

edwardpiercy 2. December 2008, 23:10

What'a the next step up from an M.L.A.?

noah counte 3. December 2008, 02:02

MLS? PHD.

Librarians in academic institutions are often - usually, even - tenured without a PHD. Depends on the institution: some make librarians faculty, and others make librarians staff.

PHDs in library science usually teach in schools of library science.

edwardpiercy 3. December 2008, 02:19

Ah. It's a "science" then, not an "art." -- :lol:

noah counte 3. December 2008, 03:11

Haha. So they say. Sort of like psychology. :lol:

lekrot 3. December 2008, 05:18

Yes, Matt, people are still travelling. But in less amount. Have been to Italy twice and China once this fall. There are not that many tourists at the big sites: Rome, Capri, Pompei, Forbidden City. A lot of local guides don't have groups. For my company the biggest difference is that we had to cancel quite a few China-trips that was not filled. If it continues i might have to be att my principal-office more :frown:

noah counte 3. December 2008, 05:49

Well, at least there is continued work, even if it is at home. I'm sure things will level off and start to get better, but I don't know how soon.

Nerak 3. December 2008, 05:49

Originally posted by SIR Matthew:

Of course, some like more order than others.



Huh? Are you serious? There are super orderly people out there? :eyes:




Karen's Dewey Decimal Section:

172 Political ethics

Karen = 11854 = 118+54 = 172


Class:
100 Philosophy & Psychology


Contains:
Books on metaphysics, logic, ethics and philosophy.



What it says about you:
You're a careful thinker, but your life can be complicated and hard for others to understand at times. You try to explain things and strive to express yourself.

Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com


noah counte 3. December 2008, 05:50

Politics doesn't seem like you.

The smart ass-comment above your results - that seems a lot like you. :lol:

Nerak 3. December 2008, 05:51

:lol: Political Ethics?! Hahahahaahahaa....am I the only one who finds this freakishly amusing?! :lol:

noah counte 3. December 2008, 05:58

Oh no. I had to take some deep breaths.

Nerak 3. December 2008, 10:22

Okay then. At least I'm not hallucinating from sleep deprivation again. :left:

noah counte 3. December 2008, 12:51

Not yet, no. :lol:

Nerak 3. December 2008, 12:57

I'm working on it. It's 4:58AM...no sleep in sight.

noah counte 3. December 2008, 12:58

Why not?

Nerak 3. December 2008, 13:01

I'm not tired. :shrug: No idea why.

BRB...gotta go brew my 5th pot of coffee....


studio41 4. December 2008, 04:20

peeps like order... I think I'd agree with you for the mostpart. I can't stand chaos. It seems to negate the effect of my coffee on me. Then I'm entirely sunk. How ya doin, Matt?

noah counte 4. December 2008, 05:11

Even people who like chaos need to order it, somehow.

I'm OK Jill, how are you?

studio41 4. December 2008, 06:04

I like the new lightening flash on your icon, was that always there? Well, as they dub wives of sportmen and hunters, golf widow and deer widows, that makes me a work widow. Joe got a job, so that is good. How's ur search going, anything turn up, yet?

DBabbit 4. December 2008, 13:31

I love books! I read Heidi by Joanna Spyri before I started first grade, got "hooked on books," and have been reading ever since. I have a personal collection of about 200 on famous artists, American history, ancient history, gardening, crafts, carpentry, home repair, computer languages, poetry, livestock - and there's probably a few I haven't thought of at the moment. :lol:

DBabbit's Dewey Decimal Section:
650 Management & auxiliary services
DBabbit = 4212290 = 421+229+0 = 650

Class:
600 Technology

Contains:
Health, agriculture, management, public relations, buildings.

What it says about you:
You are creative and inspired to make the world a better place. You can work hard on something when it catches your interest. Your friends have unique interests in common with you.
Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com

noah counte 4. December 2008, 16:24

Jill, Karen surprised me one morning - she snagged my old avatar, and added the flassh and such. My sleepy eyes astonished to see it in my inbox. :D As for jobs, I have a second interview next week that I'm hopeful about. Unfortunately, there are two other people who are just as hopeful, and only one of us is going to end up happy. I sure hope it's me! :smile:

I'm with you, Babs - books are something that I will spend my last penny on, and never think of parting with. I'm sure it's a compulsion and not healthy, but I love them.

studio41 4. December 2008, 23:45

I hope it's you, too, Matt.

ellinidata 5. December 2008, 00:33

tell me where the other two people live!!! :ninja:

Good luck Matthew ! I hope we all hear the good news next week :smile:


Angeliki Dewey Decimal Quiz Results:



:smile:



Angeliki's Dewey Decimal Section:

695 Roof covering

Angeliki = 14752919 = 147+529+19 = 695


Class:
600 Technology


Contains:
Health, agriculture, management, public relations, buildings.



What it says about you:
You are creative and inspired to make the world a better place. You can work hard on something when it catches your interest. Your friends have unique interests in common with you.

Find your Dewey Decimal Section at Spacefem.com





noah counte 5. December 2008, 01:48

I am glad your husband found work, Jill. It's a dreadful market for job hunters right now.

Angeliki, I don't even know who they are, but I'd like to get this on my merits, not because of my ties to the Greek Mafia. :lol:

studio41 5. December 2008, 02:16

Thanks, Matt. It's tough for a lot of folks right now.

ellinidata 5. December 2008, 03:19

p:
shouldn't the Greek Mafia interfere??? :lol:
I will ask them to hold back the "feta cheese operation" then! :lol:
Good Luck!

noah counte 5. December 2008, 04:10

Operation Feta Cheese.... Sounds like a lot of work went into it?

It's tough on a lot of folks Jill, and more on the way :frown:

studio41 5. December 2008, 05:33

Best wishes Matt, again, I hope it turns out in your best interest. Merry Christmas, happy new year, too. :smile:

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