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The Peace Chain

Wednesday, 1. July 2009, 18:54:38

This is a post in response to Claude`s initiative of creating a chain of peace. I`m adding a new link to the chain and hope you readers will like the idea and join it. Here`s a link to Claude`s blog: http://my.opera.com/holdowicz-claude/blog/

I can say I am a lucky person, living in a free democratic country. War is far away, on other people`s land. Our soldiers fight in Irak and Afghanistan, trying to maintain the peace. It`s not their war. Not Romania`s war... But Romania hasn`t always been like this... It has been a communist country between 1945-1989. The last communist leader was the famous Nicolae Ceausescu. He ruled for 24 years (1965-1989).
In december 1989, the Romanians could no longer endure the communist regime and the poverty they were living in. A Revolution was started to set us free... to gain our right for democracy. People had died: 1104 deaths, 3321 wounded. Ceausescu and his wife had been arrested and condamned to death.They were executed on december 25th...
The whole truth about the revolution is not known yet. It never will be.
It`s been such a long time that the young generation can barely remember those days... Kids don`t know much about what happened in 1989. They only know that their parents, when they were kids, had to dress like pioneers and sing patriotic songs to praise the communist party and its leader. They had to sing songs about the beauty and the wealth in the country, in their life and inside the communist world. Peace was a common subject. The romanian word for "peace" is "pace" (It sounds just like in Italian, cause it`s a latin word):


It was all a fake...

The Revolution was started by a peaceful march (a demonstration for freedom) in the city of Timisoara. The march had been opressed by gunfire by the army. The soldiers had to obey the Ceausescu`s orders. They were told they were shooting terrorists not civilians... Confusion spreaded and people had no idea who was shooting who. There were no terrorists, only confusing orders...

Here are some songs and images about those days

Timisoara (now and then). I still get shivers down my spine when listening to this song:





This post will be continued. I have to go back to studying cause I have to pass one more exam next week... otherwise my peace of mind will be disturbed. P:

Peace!

Some Good MusicPe munte, in sandalutze cu toc...

Comments

holdowicz-claude 1. July 2009, 19:41

WoW! :hat: I'm so happy of your post for Peace :happy:
You are the 14th post for Peace :hat: :drunk:
A step his done for Romanian, but a real democracy must be developped more and more in the whole world. Yhank you very much for this post Anna :smile: I will visit it later to see what you will add to it :up: Thanks for the videos :smile:

ste-ven 1. July 2009, 22:51

chain-mania :lol: p: :up: :up:

holdowicz-claude 1. July 2009, 23:05

Tu es le bienvenu Steven :hat: C'est une bonne manie :lol:

ste-ven 1. July 2009, 23:19

C'est vrai, sans-doute :wink:

holdowicz-claude 1. July 2009, 23:23

En français on dit : "Plus on est de fous, plus on rit" :lol: Mais tu connais déjà ce dicton :wink:

ste-ven 2. July 2009, 00:49

non, nous ne l'avons pas :up:
mais c'est sympa :smile:

norskblu 2. July 2009, 09:42

Merci pour la visite, mes chers... Vous etes toujours bienvenus :D

holdowicz-claude 2. July 2009, 10:07

Merci :heart: Je t'envoie d'autres visites, Anna :smile:

MAJULIE 2. July 2009, 16:00

Bienvenue dans la chaine!:smile: :jester:
J'ai ajouté ton lien sur mon blog.

I_ArtMan 3. July 2009, 00:05

welcome to the peace chain anna. :happy:

and thank you for the history lesson.

ste-ven 3. July 2009, 00:25

en 1989 nous avons voulu nous associer a l'occident.. eh bien, ca prouve être une profonde déception

norskblu 3. July 2009, 07:59

@ Ste-ven, are you talking about Moldova or about Romania, when you say "we"("nous")? It was difficult for Romania, but I don`t want to consider it a deception...

@ MAJULIE: Thank you! I`ll stop by to read your blog :smile:

@ I_ArtMan: You`re always welcome! :smile:

PEACE and LUV!flirt

ste-ven 3. July 2009, 21:29

C'est une déception pour tout l'est. Nous importons, les dernières années, environs 70% des aliments (en Roumanie) !!!
y compris de Belgique. C'est intolérable, parce-que nous sommes, théoriquement, le second producteur agricole européen, après la France :frown:
Et c'est seulement un aspect du problème (l'agriculture)

norskblu 4. July 2009, 11:36

Yes, you`re right... It`s like, when the regime has changed, people had suddenly given up caring about agriculture... Like, after being forced to work the land, they refused doing it any longer... Of course, the new "democratic" political strategy was build to force them into buying instead of producing.
There`s a lot of land, many empty fields no one wants to plant `cause it`s not moneymaking at all. There`s a lot of money a farmer spends for seeds, fertilizers, diesel oil, the tractors and other machinery, workers etc. The price he`ll have to sell his products is too low in comparison to all the expenses.
It`s easier to sell your land to those who are building malls, supermarkets, houses... :smile:.

ste-ven 4. July 2009, 18:37

En dehors du Logan, qu'est qu'on produit aujourd'hui ?
On vit en faisant des dettes en extérieur, et en travaillant a l'étranger ! C'est une honte pour tout peuple décent !

CLEARman 6. July 2009, 19:44

In bukres' bodigarzii poarta tricouri mulate "bgs" si umbla in gipane... costumele pe care le purtau amaratii aia de securisti nu mai sunt la moda. :bomb:

Anna, je pense que vous étiez très jeune à la révolution de 1989. lol. félicitations pour la musique! vivre la paix!

ste-ven 7. July 2009, 01:36

Our farmers are productive in the agriculture, but in that of Spain.
They work heavily in other countries agriculture, because in ours there is not enough money to invest. Where from had the communists the money ? How had they tractors and modern equipment, and today farmers are back 50 years, working with horses ?
By the way (a propos) last year the most famous tractor factory has been closed, that of your town, Brasov.

I_ArtMan 7. July 2009, 02:26

the 'collective' manufactured the tractors and gave them to the farmers. i think that was the whole idea. share what you do with others.

ste-ven 7. July 2009, 07:04

Those Brasov tractors were also exported in many countries. In Egipt and Iran have been constructed factories to assemble these tractors. Now, Chinese give the parts for these factories.
That was a real economy, not an utopia @I_ArtMan. But it had many constraints, especially: one could not be very rich. Some are complaining it was not enough freedom for arts. Fact is art had a lot of money, not like today.
But you can't keep a more or less egalitarian society without a political dictatorship.
... it is very much too say against or for it.
They have exaggerated, in time. Today they (the leading "class") exaggerate in the other sense, the capitalist one.
Keeping the balance, this is the hardest issue

I_ArtMan 7. July 2009, 07:15

yes, i agree. but who needs to be very rich. that's my problem with modern social mechanics.

with technology and a good intention, there would be enough for everyone, which makes greed, which comes from fear, obsolete. it's not just for power or glory or fame... which all who gain those illusions recognize as smoke.

if the cadre of billionaires were not sleeping at their tillers, the economy could balance with a generous blast from their holdings.

so why should they give their... and i quote, "hard earned earnings"? because most of them were made rich by accident of heredity.

the accumulation of wealth has ever been just a matter of chance anyway. the noble thing would be to give it away. that would engender a true balance.

norskblu 7. July 2009, 13:36

What would you guys prefere: living in communism or living in capitalism? Honestly, now. Would you go back to those times? What freedom was there, back then? In the early 80`s, you couldn`t have had access to information from abroad... couldn`t comunicate to foreign people without being questioned by the Security... Women had to have illegal abortions because of that stupid law given earlier... I may have been very young in 1989, but I wouldn`t like to have a life like my parents` have had. I`d rather live in Romania as it is right now... hoping that things will get better some day. At least, I can talk to you right now, the way we do it here, free. Even if our conversations are registered, no security will show at my doorstep, neither at yours...
"No" to communism, "no" to that fake "sharing" of goods. :D
If we`re all the same, where would the competition and progress be?
It may be hard now... with an imbalanced situation on all fields, but at least, we have more freedom. Haven`t we? :smile:

ste-ven 7. July 2009, 15:08

One question, very simple: why have you demolished last year
"Tractorul Brasov" ?
If a land empty of factories, of crops, of forests, of people is the land you like Anna, why don't you move on Mars ?
You do propaganda now, i watch facts, i look around, i need results. 20 years, are enough for anyone to say: it is better
All we can say is: it is empty around.
And don't look at the neighbors, they are as "illusions lost" as we are !

CLEARman 7. July 2009, 16:45

steve, communism was also built on theft and demolition. For 20 years we had to destroy everything to build consumer capitalist society and to create the middle class. lol.
This is real history, man!

Vive la paix and .... rip Michael

And now in Romanian: "Decat arme nucleare, mai bine fabrici si tractoare" - cam asa suna un slogan pro-pace pe vremea comunistilor :jester:

ste-ven 7. July 2009, 16:57

how's your Ferrari doing @CLEARman :D
We have created Latin America here, in 20 years, all we miss are some Brazilian black slaves working on plantations :yes:

CLEARman 7. July 2009, 17:10

I prefer some Brazilian chicas on the Black Sea beach :smurf:

norskblu 7. July 2009, 19:57

Well, they may have demolished the tractors factory... but when the crisis is over, they`ll be building some other new factories. We`ll start producing something... someday. Yes, some asians or africans may be arriving to work here... someday.

I don`t want to go to Mars, Ste-ven! :D I like my hometown. Realy! :D I have a question for you: are you from Moldova? Are you a communist? >:smile: No offense, but... why are you so fond of the old regime?

ste-ven 8. July 2009, 01:05

I hate Ferraris Anna :D

I_ArtMan 8. July 2009, 01:13

i never understood why communism had to be so oppressive with propaganda and the secret police. i don't see how all that happened.

ste-ven 8. July 2009, 02:09

I_ArtMan ..if you work in a private enterprise (factory, office) can you say openly: capitalism sucks ?...your employer being that capitalist, say that to him, in his face ??..... May be if some trade unions protect you.

The same in communism, tell them in face: you suck !!
they wouldn't like it at all !
Anne, you ask me: "are you from Moldova ?" translated it's like asking, in the US: are you a negro ?
Ok, i am born in the capital, a have an university diploma (college), both my parents have college studies. And yes, one grandpa belongs to a rich family from today R.Moldova, and he run away from russians, another ancestor is from the Balcans.
Now, how "white" are you, capitalism lover Anne ?

I_ArtMan 8. July 2009, 03:13

well, we can say anything we want in the u.s. i have never,ever, not expressed my opinion. i burned my draftcard standing on a parked car in 1959 in orlando, florida... i was arrested and released almost immediately.

at work or anywhere most people say whatever they like. there is never a problem. in the past for a while we had the mccarthy hearings and that scared everyone. but the thing was televised and the outrage was universal. this cemented freedom of speech in the constitutional rights.

nobody believes in witch hunting here. right now our privacy is invaded. my solution... just don't do anything illegal.

i can speak freely and say that all the problems with all of our recent governments in the whole workld is that they are all kleptocracies.

i like socrates. uttopia has a bad name only because it has always been just in people's heads. when it comes to power, they are corrupted. 'nuff said. :cool:

holdowicz-claude 9. July 2009, 19:37

A new support for the Peace chain :hat:
http://my.opera.com/jean22/blog/chain-peace

ste-ven 9. July 2009, 23:32

...c'est difficile pour moi de penser qu'un jour je penserais au bénéfices du communisme, mais il semble que le système avait ses aspects positifs !
Excuse moi Anne si j'ai été trop dur, c'est une dispute totalement théorique en effet :smile:

holdowicz-claude 10. July 2009, 05:44

Il me semble que les systèmes ne sont rien si les personnes qui le forment ne sont pas généreuses et sages. On peut toujours faire des lois et les contourner et donc aucun système ne tient debout très longtemps...

ste-ven 10. July 2009, 06:29

penses a 1789, 1830, 1848, 1870, ce sont chaque fois des révolutions....un peu trop, mais après les choses se sont calmées a l'intérieur du pays. Au centre-est de l'Europe les changements radicaux ont continué jusqu'aujourd'hui. Les frontières de la France n'ont pas changé, essentiellement, depuis 1700.

holdowicz-claude 10. July 2009, 07:21

J'ai lu dans un magazine de type scientifique (il y a longtemps) que si l'on mettait une plaque de séparation dans une fourmilière ou une ruche (je ne m'en souviens plus exactement), hé bien les deux cotés commençaient à se faire la guerre. Il semblerait donc que les frontières, les limitations imposées, soient l'origine des conflits...

MAJULIE 10. July 2009, 08:00

Je vous propose la citation du jour:
"Deux coqs vivaient en paix; une poule survint et voilà la guerre allumée" (Jean de la Fontaine).
Tout peut être à l'origine d'un conflit!:lol:

holdowicz-claude 10. July 2009, 08:58

Est-ce que le cas contraire se vérifie? :lol: 2 poules vivaient en paix quand survint un coq? :wink:

MAJULIE 10. July 2009, 13:01

Si un jour tu fais le test Claude, tu me communiques le résultat...:yes:
Il paraît que les femmes sont plus cruelles que les hommes!!!:yikes:

ste-ven 11. July 2009, 10:53

pauvre mohammed, il était un rêveur naïf, jesus semble plus expérimenté en choisissant madeleine :D

ste-ven 14. July 2009, 00:49


sincer, prefer asta decat sa le stiu facand trotuarul prin italia !!

norskblu 15. July 2009, 19:00

About the photo: all this order is intoxicating! Too much discipline... Not my favorite idea of living :jester: p: :smile:

ste-ven 15. July 2009, 23:23

:lol: :lol: :yes:

+ cules cartofi, varza :D

norskblu 16. July 2009, 07:14

N-ai sa vezi tu asta! S-au emancipat... Cum sa isi murdareasca o Pitzi unghiile la cartofi?????????? :confused: :whistle: :D

ste-ven 16. July 2009, 13:58

sa-l intrebi pe tibi: am auzit ca in america cele mai bune sotii sunt considerate chinezoaicele si filipinezele...asta daca nu gasesti una din neamul propriu :right: :whistle:

norskblu 17. July 2009, 06:16

:lol: Posibila explicatie pe care o gasesc eu, fara sa am habar de prea multe, ar fi ca barbatii se distreaza, fac bani si burta si locuiesc cu parintii pana trec de 40 sau si mai mult. Cand sa-si caute nevasta, prefera una care sa vorbeasca putin, sa faca menajul si sa stie sa faca un masaj pt cand vor incepe sa-i lase balamalele... monkey bug :whistle:

CLEARman 19. July 2009, 14:57

Am vorbit odata cu un american de origine romana, perfect adaptat mediului de acolo dupa 15 ani. Tipul era innebunit dupa chinezoaice mai ales in probleme legate de.... sex.



norskblu 20. July 2009, 07:20

:D dar ce-or fi avand asa deosebit? Stiu si eu ca au ceva oblic, respectiv ochii... O mai fi si altceva?p: :devil:

I_ArtMan 20. July 2009, 18:44

merde! i am exhausted deciphering all of these languages. i do love french, spanish,portugese, romanian, italian, russian even... even japanese. wakarimaska?

but i here and now vow that i will not read anything that is not said in english.
if we want world peace we must be able to communicate. :cool: so why should it be english? because as we all know, all countries have taught english as a second language for half a century. lingua franca... and since esperanto failed to catch on... given in. speak the language most of us can understand.

my friends.... sorry about that... just a rant. time will tell. :cool: hey, let's all learn greek. it's such a precise language. very good for science. :up:

CLEARman 20. July 2009, 19:15

Originally posted by I_ArtMan:

merde! i am exhausted deciphering all of these languages. i do love french, spanish,portugese, romanian, italian, russian even... even japanese. wakarimaska?


Man...., me Homer: Doh! and Mr.steve are obsessed by the magic of Far East between the Yang-tze and Huag-he rivers, from communism to capitalism. Ana doesn't understand why we are so attracted by Asian girls.
Can you explain us the reason?
Live the peace between our coutries! :D


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