If the abuse of children wanted outlaw, you should not pretend that the Internet is an "ocean of lawlessness". German Family Minister Ursula von der Leyen calls to action to prevent the spread of child pornography on the net.

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ): Madam Minister, how far are you with your negotiations with the Internet providers have a total ban on child pornography?

Ursula von der Leyen: There are some constructive negotiations with individual providers and difficult with others. We see that the interest is mixed. The decisive factor is that many providers are aware that there is a fundamental question: whether they will continue to fully show the rape of children or whether they shared with us the proscription of this push to rape.

FAZ: Critics of the Internet economy, it was not just commercial interests, but the concern about censorship on the Internet.

von der Leyen: From the beginning we made it clear that it is ultimately for the blocking of child pornography is. A second argument that is repeatedly advanced, technical hurdles. If you see that Internet providers in the Nordic countries, Switzerland, England and even Italy is technically mastered, then one must ask whether we in Germany are able to do so. Those who, for whatever reason, a blockade attitude, chuck a fog candle after another.

FAZ: What might be the reason for?

von der Leyen: There is the idea that the freedom of the Internet means that the Internet is a relatively free space is. But there can be no right of free space. The freedom of communication, which, incidentally, by our basic law closures will not be affected, there can be no greater good than the dignity of human beings and the inviolability of a child. The other thing is that this is one of the largest markets of organized crime, such as the Association Bitcom says. This means that there are powerful interests behind them money, and therefore it is so hard dealing with bandages led.

FAZ: Is this mean that the provider itself earn?

von der Leyen: No, the worldwide provider of child pornography. The go to a specific pattern before. Through mass distribution of spam e-mails, so Lockmitteln, they try to curious potential customers to make. It is like a drug: you will get hooked on something. Then comes the hunger for more. This leads to the world that children are abducted, children are sold, that they are horrible way and then desecrated regelrecht thrown away. The death of the children will be cheaper to buy used. Infants bleed to internal injuries caused by rape. And that can be seen in Germany on the Internet Watch. Behind this is a well-organized market. And what I also umtreibt is that after the consumption of child pornography, one in five is so addictive that they in reality want to experience. This means that he is around after children on our streets.

FAZ: A "smokescreen" to your word to use, as did also your cabinet colleague, the Minister of Justice Zypries (SPD), lit.

von der Leyen: The Minister of Justice stated in a letter to me first, made it clear that I have these contracts with suppliers can fill. Secondly, it has raised concerns because of the telecommunications secrecy. But the Federal Constitution as the Interior Minister has made it clear that the secrecy of telecommunications is not affected. Because it is not about phone calls between two people, but it is a mass business. We speak in Germany from 300,000 to 400,000 clicks per day. It is about building the connection to these child pornographic sites to block, and nothing else.

FAZ: Ms. Zypries has also suggested that the communication data of millions of citizens integrity evaluated and filtered.

von der Leyen: That is incorrect. In our procedure, questions relating to child pornography web sites with related content, simply redirected. An analysis and filtering of Internet communication does not take place. We are very precise while working. The federal government will assume all the liability that the right sides are identified. The lists to create is the sole responsibility of the Federal Criminal Police Office. The access providers have the technical side only assume that is their core business. That is, as if the phone records, and selects a number at this point gets no connection.

FAZ: This means, however, that for all customers is analyzed, what phone numbers they dial.

von der Leyen: No, quite the contrary. This means that only those identified by the BKA phone number is no longer selected. It is not interested in who and what someone dials dials. That is nothing to us.

FAZ: Why do you have the Minister of Justice in preparing your advance is not included, but only the economic and the Interior, who happen to like both the Union?

von der Leyen: I voted in November the Federal Minister of the Interior as the supervisor of the process and the BKA federal economy minister a few weeks later, because he is responsible for the Telemedia Act. With the Justice Department in December, we have contacted as needed for all proposed legislation is necessary. Meanwhile, it sits regularly in the working groups in which all four ministries with the BKA and access providers on the development of the cornerstones of the law speak.

FAZ: What will stand in the corners?
von der Leyen: The key points to be signed on Wednesday this week the cabinet decided, and are currently in the departmental vote.

FAZ: When and how did you choose to come forward in this election year to take?

von der Leyen: In preparing an international conference on the protection of children against sexual exploitation in Rio, in November took place. Since I first clear what is actually child pornography. I have a degree of horror not previously known. I was not clear that the children in front of the camera are desecrated, sometimes they are killed, the cries of the children are heard on the Internet. The fact that these masses in motion pictures will be shown via internet. And I was by this time not clear that European countries around us, but also Canada and New Zealand for years to fight and we are pulled over. They have the Internet Lock installed, with great success. And they are cooperating with each other by springs, and to block Internet use. After I've also seen that the BKA for years with the internet providers are negotiated and not progressing, it was clear to me: this must be one the game durchfechten. And I make it clear whether the election year or not: I will sit in the next Bundestag, and thus the issue is not off the table.

FAZ: Had so much of the interior minister must do something sooner?

von der Leyen: all involved in this matter should have been woken up earlier, also me, the family minister. I am simply not been clear that we have an opportunity to act has been badly from the cold. But mine is clear: You have to be in this matter against all the resistance to change. If we outlaw abuse of children, then we can not pretend that the Internet is an ocean of lawlessness would be where we are unfortunately powerless. We are not powerless.

FAZ: also objected, the locks are easy to circumvent, and anyway the course of trade of child pornography for the most part from outside of the Internet.

von der Leyen: I know that the hard criminals of Paedophile, which has been years in the scene cavort, other ways of seeking and finding. The BKA says they account for about 15 to 20 percent of those who click on the pages. But most, about 80 percent, by blocking prevented from ever deeper into the swamp to be dragged along. Less clicks on the pages means less turnover - it is financially less attractive, the children to rape.

FAZ: Another issue: You have your candidacy for the Bundestag addressed. Two years ago, do you have with great conviction explained why you do not want elections. Why the change?

von der Leyen: A mixture of factors. Because the learning is that it is important in the Bundestag and to be anchored on the mandate on the ground. The second point is quite pragmatic: My children are getting older. In the next legislature will be either studying or on a secondary school. Moreover, my private life center in Hanover, where a constituency since the departure of Friedbert Pflüger for the CDU is vacant. At the beginning - only three and a half years ago - I was still new. Since it was the National niedersächsische that interest me the most involved, but I also made it clear: We need you.