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While I was in London, I received a petition e-mail, one of these that you're supposed to sign and pass on, or just pass on. I signed it, but I did not pass it on. I received it (read it) while I was very drunk, and it immediately prompted me to post something on my blog. I suppose I had trusted the content of the e-mail because I had trusted the person who sent it and because there had been something in the e-mail saying you can check the facts yourself online, which suggested to me that the people who had originally spawned the e-mail had checked their facts, and were confident of them. Still, drunk as I was, I know very well how easy it is for lies and half-truths (sometimes passed on innocently) to be accepted as truth and become 'common knowledge'. Immediately after posting my blog entry, I did check my facts. Of course, I should have done it before. Some of the points I made, though ridiculously bloated by alcohol, were good points. Unfortunately, they were based on what was beginning to look very much like an invalid example. I removed the entry, making a note to do more research at a later date, when I wasn't drunk, to see if I could get a clearer picture of the veracity or otherwise of the claims made in the e-mail.

This morning, from two different sources, I have a similar e-mail on a very different subject. This one, in brief, claims that UK schools have removed the Holocaust from their curriculum for fear of upsetting Moslems [Edit. I've a notion that I shouldn't spell 'Muslim' as 'Moslem', but I should check this out. This would fit with my current theory that the e-mail was started as a clever joke, which I suppose is what a hoax is, anyway, since that was the spelling used in some versions of the e-mail (or did I dream it?), and perhaps I've fallen for it and been influenced subtly to spell the word wrongly. Interesting. Ah, here's something very interesting on the subject.]. This morning I am not drunk, I am sober, and though I supposedly trust the people who have sent this e-mail, I checked my facts. It took me less than two minutes to discover evidence that these claims were false, and, unless there is a 'cover-up' taking place, which, under the circumstances seems preposterous, compelling evidence. Please, check your facts before you send this kind of shit on. It's only common courtesy. You don't have to do a whole research project on it, but you could at least do a Google and look at a number of different articles to get a picture of how reliable the information is. And to the people who actually concoct this kind of e-mail in the first place, without even doing five minutes of research - shame on you. You are either devious and malicious or unforgivably sloppy. I'm not even going to attempt a dissection of the kind of mentality behind this sort of thing (if it's the latter), ready to swallow any piece of shit in order to be righteously offended, without even knowing whether or not it's true. Embarrassing as my own mistake was in this regard, at least I have the feeble excuse of being drunk, and at least I actually did do some research belatedly and rectified my mistake.

Anyway, having had two of these events in a row, I am certainly going to learn from history, and will be even more careful in the future about basing my outrage on hearsay.

Here is the text of the e-mail I received:

It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some b*stard will get up and say that this never happened'

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' Edmund Burke

This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.

These photos [there were photos included] were taken in Germany by James Emison Chanslor, an Army Master Sergeant who served in World War II from 1942 until 1945.

Source: Photos courtesy of John Michael Chanslor.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.

This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russian peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!

Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

Don't just delete this. It will only take a minute to pass this along.

let's cover the world and remember because we cannot let it ever happen again.



At the head of this, in both the e-mails I received, someone had appended:

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it (George Santayana).

It is in the nature of soldiers that they learn from history. Unfortunately, it is in the nature of politicians that they never do.



Here is an article from The Times about the subject.

Here is something from New York Post with an annoying pop-up you may wish to avoid (blocked by my computer).

Here and here and here are articles debunking the story. The last one has a pop-up, and should have been proof-read (does no one employ proof-readers anymore?), but there seems to be a fair amount of information there. The website is Boycott Watch.

But if you don't want to read all that, you could just read this article, from the BBC.

Meanwhile, somewhere in London...Holy Mother Church

Comments

quentinscrisp 3. May 2008, 18:39

Thinking about it, I'm almost certain that those who spawned the Holocaust e-mail wrote it as a kind of satirical joke. In which case, yes, it's pretty funny, in a way. You just can't tell the politics of the person who would write it as a joke, which makes it a good joke. A joke on all those who were fooled. You almost had me, but not quite.

b_laudanum 3. May 2008, 19:03

I hate spams and pop-ups! I avoid all of them any time I receive!

quentinscrisp 3. May 2008, 19:19

http://muqtataf.blogspot.com/2007/02/moslem-vs-muslim.html

Yes, I hate them, too. I believe they're a major source of spyware. Shouldn't click on them, even to close them. Right click with your mouse, and close with the right-click menu. I think that prevents infection.

quentinscrisp 3. May 2008, 22:50

I've heard from one of the people who sent me the e-mail (and spoken to the other). I wrote the following reply to the first:

Hello Mimir, Woden's Uncle,

That's alright. I think it was a fairly clever hoax. I investigated it because I've been stung recently with an e-mail about a Mexican artist starving a dog to death in a gallery as a piece of art. I'm still not sure of the facts on that one, but I wrote stuff on my blog about it, drunkenly, before I'd checked anything. And then I did check, and I realised I'd probably been had, and the whole point of the thing was to stir up reactionary thoughts in people and then make them feel foolish for believing it. Probably.

The Holocaust one was particularly clever, playing on the whole Jew/Muslim thing. But I'm now pretty sure that it wasn't started by ill-informed do-gooders, but by a well-informed hoaxer who wanted to make a point. And if so, it seems to be a point well made, and I feel like I should wake up a bit and check my facts more often, as I did in this case.

So, actually, I'm grateful for having received that e-mail. It was an interesting hoax, and a learning experience.

Thanks,

Quentin.


quentinscrisp 4. May 2008, 02:57

This was the e-mail to which I was replying (have now gained permission to post it):

Thanks mate. I've had a couple of these recently. One about Jamie Bulger and the one about the holocaust. I immediately distrusted the Jamie Bulger one but didn't have the same instinctive distrust for this one.

My response to the the Jamie Bulger chainmail was appropriately cynical. My response to this one was not inappropriate but betrayed credence.

We are turning into Sun readers without reading the Sun ... we believe what we see on the internet ... or from it. It's Wikipedia with bells on.

All the best,

Mimir, Woden's Uncle

CaptainPenguin 4. May 2008, 06:47

There are 2 worrying things here firstly there is no denial that the item about one school dropping their Holocaust work for fear of upsetting assorted minorities and if there is any shred of evidence in that then heads need to roll

More worrying though is the quote from Ed balls
""I am pleased to confirm that this is absolutely not the case. Teaching of the Holocaust is compulsory in all secondary schools between the ages of 11 and 14."

Teaching of the Holocaust is compulsoruy so genocide practised by the Germans is compulsory,what about balance,is it also taught about British concentration camps during the Boer War,Genocide in Ruanda and Cambodia and Soviet Russia.What abourt the slaughtering of native people's in America and Australia.

This is the problem when to grab hold of a headline item like the Nazi Holocaust and forget that in many other parts of the world man has also sunk about as low as human life can get in persuit of his own goals,yes the Holocaust must never be forgotten but again all the others I have mentioned and no doubt many others must be remembered as well.

quentinscrisp 4. May 2008, 10:17

I agree, actually. In some ways it's a shame that the Holocaust has come to represent the pinnacle of human evil, since it does seem to mean everything else gets ignored.

One interesting thing about the e-mail was that it lists "six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated". In one of the debunking stories, it's mentioned that this is kind of erroneous information, because the e-mail refers to 'the Holocaust', and the Holocaust traditionally refers only to the extermination of the Jews. But perhaps the hoaxer was making a point here, too.

I suppose I should be cautious about using Wikipedia, but I've just got up, so with the proviso that these are Wikipedia figures, we have, killed by the Germans during WWII, "130,000 to 500,000 Gypsies [48] [50] [62]; 150,000 to 200,000 handicapped persons [51] ; 2.6 to 3 million Soviet prisoners of war[52]; 1.8 to 1.9 million Poles [38]; 4.5 to 8.2 million Soviet civilians [53][60] [48]; about 10,000 Gay men[54]; about 1,000 Jehovah's Witnesses [55]; between 1,000 to 2,000 Roman Catholic clergy [57] and an unknown number of Freemasons [56]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

There are also the slaughter of the Armenians by the Turks, of the Chinese by the Japanese, 4 million dead in Congo in recent years with barely a murmur in the news, and so on.

b_laudanum 4. May 2008, 14:42

It's a shame indeed what happened in Holocaust, and what it's represent to the humans.
My sister has a Deutch friend, and she's always apologizing for the holocaust, as she was the owner of it.
Maybe many germans could feel it too and it's very sad.

But we have to look around and think that holocaust passed, and now we have wars over the world, mainly in Afrika and Medium Orient, and many, many people dying by hunger. Which is very shame to me, because there are people dying near me, in my own city, and I'm thinking about people died more than 50 years ago.

I know, it was horrable, but it passed, and we're in present, we have to do something right now.

quentinscrisp 4. May 2008, 14:51

I'm just posting a comment I got from Mimir, Woden's Uncle, who was, for some reason, unable to get the comment to post directly on the blog. The comment is as follows:

"It is a shame indeed that our children are not taught about the atrocities that lie closer to home. Armenia, Rwanda, Germany, the Soviet Union and such like are comfortably far away. We can read about it without getting emotionally entangled in it.

It is more difficult when you're reading about British soldiers - those paragons of military virtue - at Amritsar, the concentration camps in South Africa, the Croke Park Massacre in Dublin, Bloody Sunday, etc. The list is a tragically long one.

What really concerns me about the holocaust email is that what we are fed by way of education - whether on the telly or at school - is so dumbed down that not only are we unable to distinguish truth from fiction, we are not even able to make an educated guess about what might reasonably be true and what might be errant nonsense.

It's called Time Team syndrome."

quentinscrisp 4. May 2008, 14:58

"I know, it was horrable, but it passed, and we're in present, we have to do something right now."

Well, Henry Ford famously said that 'History is bunk'. I disagree. I think the way it is taught at school (certainly the way it was taught to me) is, indeed, bunk. But I'm developing a very strong interest in history recently. It really gives an insight into the present.

Of course, you're right that we should be most concerned with what's happening now, but often there are political leaders and so on who are able to present situations in the present in a misleading way because people don't know the history from which they have arisen.

b_laudanum 4. May 2008, 15:02

sorry, maybe I'm not able to understand: "What really concerns me about the holocaust email is that what we are fed by way of education - whether on the telly or at school - is so dumbed down that not only are we unable to distinguish truth from fiction, we are not even able to make an educated guess about what might reasonably be true and what might be errant nonsense."

Does it guessing that something there really didnt happened??

quentinscrisp 4. May 2008, 15:40

Well, I think it basically means that information has become very unreliable. Often with these things it's details that make all the difference, and all too often these are left out or distorted, and it become difficult to know which source to trust.

b_laudanum 4. May 2008, 23:35

well, indeed many details are distorted or fogotten, but I really think that in tragedies like that any detail is too much to believe!

Even if the source is not to true...

Anonymous 27. September 2008, 07:36

HELENMARKO writes:

Hi! I just received the Holocaust e-mail today, 9.26.08, from a reliable friend, too. I wanted to make a video of that e-mail, so I definitely had to do a research on the subject...and I came upon your web page.

YOU have an amazing blog, and I enjoyed reading it. Thank you for all the information and links. I usually just go to snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp

but I googled something else, and you were fifth on page one...

Thanks again for such an intelligent blog. You're very good.

Helen

quentinscrisp 27. September 2008, 10:13

Thank you, Helen, for reading and taking the time to comment. Are you going ahead with the video? It sounds interesting.

Anonymous 29. September 2008, 04:17

HELENMARKO writes:

Hi! I finally finished the video around 4:00 PM, but for some reason, some commands must've hit a snag or something, so I re-uploaded around 7:30 PM, giving it a different title, and that failed...so...I am really an obstinate person at times and re-re-uploaded for the third time: Voilà! It was "successful!" AOL is getting weird on me--I may have change to another server.

So here it is:

http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/cea79f5e070f1bda008cf798b57802c7

If you have the chance to check it out, I'd love to hear your critique.

Thank you.

Helen

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