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Excellent information, thanks for the link. Though, the hard numbers are interesting they are a *touch* misleading because it could simply indicate that the Danish are more healthy than our society... and considering how unhealthy those in our society can be, that's not too hard to imagine.

Nonetheless, it's a striking comparison and the point that we should learn from others is one that seems to be lost on many.

Yum

With my luck, I'd probably get 0.6 doctors.

LOL

Thanks, Allan ... but with me, you're preaching to the choir.

I really think the system for health care that ya'll use makes a lot of sense, I admit to being quite jealous of you scandinavians and your healthcare. Of course, I do sincerely wish that you didn't need to make use of it Allan and you and yours could claim no knowledge of the system becuase you've never been sick
I think the barrier to that kind of health system in American is going to prove to be our cultural? stubborn independence rather than the common sense of it.

I actually did watch this program.
I live in the USA.
I want to point out that Lou makes a point with out including all the facts!
The medical cost per person in the USA it is higher because salaries of the doctors are higher, medicines cost more, millions of illegals do go to our emergency rooms and get free medical care.
Those expenses are added in our bills as well...
So, why European doctors move to the US and want the salaries of the American doctors and not what they made in Europe? how many million of people without medical insurances does Denmark take care?
If Denmark had additional 100,000,000 uninsured was the government going to handle the health care of the country?
Why so many illegals you might ask... that is something that
makes our schools over crowded, our taxes higher, our crime higher and it is a problem that started close to a century ago and it never ends!
Before we compare we have to see the similarities and the differences........

Is the USA in a position to brag about it's Health Care? no it is not! But the problem is not to be solved by getting advace from countries that do not face the same challenges..
and I will leave it @ that

thanks for sharing Allan,
the more we talk the more we can make things clear and that's always a good thing!

Please cite from any legitimate source the statement "millions of illegals do go to our emergency rooms and get free medical care"

Allan, I was wanting to ask: Would Denmark invade the U.S.? Please? I really want the Danes to come here and throw us under their "despotic" sytem. Seriously. I would throw down my rifle (or camera) and surrender immediately.

Seriously. I'll even wave the flag at the Queen and such if you really want me to. Who cares as long we get a sensible system here.


And now I have a favor to ask, I'm afraid, I hate to ask but ---- Could I borrow a band-aide?

why Ed: "Could I borrow a band-aide?"
isn't America paying your medical bills?

PS
Ed,
it is extremely sad that young people like you nn medical care,
however I feel it is even more sad that people with major health problems loose their homes to medical bills and die without being able to receive care.

I am not and American born but I will not put this country into mud.

there are disable people that receive disability and medical care. America is not perfect but not as bad as many believe it is!
If this is the case,
I wonder why many still want to move to America?

Originally posted by ricewood:

Why do European doctors move to the USA? In order to earn more, or because they met a wonderful spouse there, or something entirely different.

I will go with the entirely different,
they call it greater income

@ Angeliki.

I think I'll just let Allan handle this one. Before I blow my stacks.

I am sure you are not Allan,
I am also eager to see posts on things that are great in America..
Somehow I don't see many of those posts (and I am not talking about you in either case).

Originally posted by ricewood:

I am glad you say that you don't think I am dragging your country of choice through the mud, Angeliki. I wouldn't dream of doing so. I admire the stuff it stands for - as well as I can see that your country needs improvement, like any other country I know of

I do love America.
I chose to live here.
My birth place, which is Greece ,
lacks in many things as well.
I just make my statement as an American citizen numerous times when I feel that comparison with European countries it is not possible! I lived in both ends and know for sure what Lou did in his program is just to have more viwers .

Originally posted by edwardpiercy:

I would throw down my rifle (or camera) and surrender immediately.

I would not throw mine down; I have too much respect for fine equipment. I would carefully set them down on a non-marring surface.

The rest? Yeah! It'd be fun learning Danish.

@ derWandersmann

Oh, but those Danish articles and pronouns! Yikes!

Yeah, but I already know the English articles and pronouns.

LMAO.

An interesting article here from WorldNetDaily regarding Arizona.

Shoot, the link didn't work. Will have to find it again.

I got out a calculator and tried crunching the numbers several different ways but still couldn't arrive at 50 out of that.

No, can't beat it.

I still couldn't get the link to work. Here is part of the article:


Court: State must cover care for illegals
By Jon Dougherty
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

“The Arizona Supreme Court has rejected a plea by the state's Medicaid provider to limit medical coverage for illegal immigrants to emergency room and acute care.

The Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System, or AHCCCS, manager of the state's Medicaid program, is obligated to provide care to illegals beyond emergency room and other acute care wards, justices ruled unanimously Thursday.

According to Capitol Media Services and the Arizona Daily Star, AHCCCS – which currently pays $75 million to $80 million a year in emergency care for illegals – had refused to reimburse hospitals for services it said were not covered. About one-third of that amount is covered by state taxpayers; the federal government covers the rest.

...”

It wouldn't bother me much if our health care was like the Danish system.

Originally posted by ricewood:

How many uninsured does Denmark take care of? Well, 5,5 million - which is the total of the population. We don't need insurances - even though some have additional benefits coming from insurances, but these are just marginal numbers. You can have better food while staying in hospital, better general conditions - I guess you could call it luxury - which does not really affect the quality of treatment.

But that's not what our Congress is trying to do. Our Congress is trying to force all Americans to pay for health insurance.

INSURANCE.

If the government were actually trying to make the care itself affordable for all Americans, I would support that. But forcing the purchase of insurance will do nothing but increase the costs of health care, which will eventually only increase the costs to each and every American, insured or not; and it will give the government or some insurance company executive the power to decide if treatment is cost effective, and make decisions as to what treatment people can actually receive.

I don't support that.

No way. No how.

Originally posted by PainterWoman:

According to Capitol Media Services and the Arizona Daily Star, AHCCCS – which currently pays $75 million to $80 million a year in emergency care for illegals – had refused to reimburse hospitals for services it said were not covered. About one-third of that amount is covered by state taxpayers; the federal government covers the rest.

I hope more states follow!
When I came to America with a suitcase full of used clothes and not a penny in my pocket,
I worked 2 jobs to make a living,
now days I might be in a much better financial condition, but my taxes are so high it is a crime!
All because funds needed to pay for housing, welfare,medical care of lazy people, illegals and people that don't even bother to vote for a change!
I want to make it clear :
I am not getting personal here with any body,
but I wish i had financial help and health isurance that will cover me too!
Many take it for granted
I pay 760.00USD each month for coverage, and when I see people not appreciating the help they receive I am mad !
The system is used by many,
the health care will never be even close to the European Health care because every 2 seconds another illegal allien jumps the border to America!

Wow, at the risk of getting stuck in the mud I'm wading into.

The *vast* majority of uninsured (or underinsured) in the state of Colorado were legal US citizens or residents. In fact, other than acute emergency care, people not from the state of Colorado got *NO* additional treatment.

If Arizona is treating illegals, it's because of Arizona's laws. Colorado isn't so nice, unless you are bleeding out on the floor you can't even get into the ER without providing billing information so that they may bill you.

Here is a much easier fact to grasp.

I cannot afford healthcare coverage. Of my two roomies, one has coverage, the other doesn't. The one with pays $200 a month for basic coverage, no serious medical issues covered.

Anyone who believes this healthcare system ain't broke need only spend half an hour with me.

Yum

I just so admire the way you have had care for Lise! I appreciate how you have explained, if I may share here, that care comes and goes many times per day to assist her with her needs. Even, if she feels she must sleep longer, they will return, and this is such a special thing, such excellent caring for needs! Bravo to Denmark in this!!

Originally posted by ricewood:

to try accommodating to a life as close to "normal" life as possible

sounds like a positive philosophy... very affirming!

Watch "Sicko," Michael Moore's excellent documentary on the sad state of managed healthcare in the U.S. You can view it on YouTube I believe. We have 'socialized' libraries, police, schools. Why not healthcare? (After all, it's good enough for Canada, France, England, Cuba....) Because the medical and pharmaceutical lobbyists won't stand for it. That would remove their PROFIT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko