Iraqi Refugees Seeking Shelter in Danish Church
Thursday, 13. August 2009, 10:41:49
I have been watching the development with disgust and sorrow, but haven't been able to do much about it, until now.
This week the government decided to evict a group of asylum seekers who've been living in this country for many years, even though their applications for asylum have been turned down. Their staying here has been tolerated until further notice, so to speak. Now they are to be sent back to Iraq where they originally came from. These people have been living here, hoping and working to get a life. They've been wanting eventually to become Danish citizens, some have had children in the meantime. It would be a catastrophe for every individual if they should now be sent back to a war-torn country - a country in which also Denmark has been leading a violent war.
My wife and I are supporting a group of people who will resist this decision with all legal means - at the same time as the refugees have fled into a Church in the hope that police won't move in there with force. They hope to receive amnesty from this new agreement with the Iraqi government.
Here follows the statement from that group of people:
Asylum in the church – let the Iraqi refugees stay
The Danish government has signed a repatriation agreement with the Iraqi authorities, and will begin the dispatch of the 282 Iraqi asylum seekers, who have been living at Danish asylum centres for many years. We are a group of people who neither can, nor will tolerate the dispatches. For this reason we support the group of Iraqi people who have applied for asylum in “Vor Frue” church in Copenhagen.
As citizens, we must take action, when the Danish authorities fail in protecting people who need protection.
Our demand is permanent residence, since:
• Iraq is a country in war and chaos. Going back, the Iraqi risk their lives.
• Denmark took part in starting the war in Iraq. We have a direct responsibility for the tragic situation, and for a situation where it has not been possible for the Iraqis to go back.
• The Iraqis have wasted enough years. The Iraqi refugees have waited for up to 10 years in the centres. These have been years where they have been living in fear for their future. Years, where their children have grown up in Denmark. Years, where humans and minds have been worn out. We have to give them back their lives.
• Previous dispatches have revealed that the Danish authorities send people back without taking any responsibility for their lives.
Who can take part?
Anyone who can vouch for this statement and who wants to be part of ensuring permanent residency for the Iraqis.
So, what can we do? I am not strong and we don't live near the church. But we've got some money - so we've decided to pay for those refugees' food as long as they are in that church. I think there are about forty of them in all.
We feel that we must. When unjust is made just, resistance becomes a duty.
Any Danes out there who want to participate, go here for more information. The website is continuously growing.
A bit of background-information prior to the present situation here.
UPDATE August 13 2009 - click here



edwardpiercy # 16. May 2009, 23:10
It is very compassionate of you and the missus to help.
WillYum # 17. May 2009, 01:36
Yum
ellinidata # 17. May 2009, 01:44
Stardancer # 17. May 2009, 03:02
I echo Angeliki's wishes.
studio41 # 17. May 2009, 06:48
Allan, you are very caring and it does come through. Nice of you to help as you can, your heart is big (but I know you would say it is the only decent thing to do, still your heart is big)
gdare # 17. May 2009, 06:57
But it is better to try than to let them be expelled just because some beaurocrat decided so.
ricewood # 17. May 2009, 07:04
Well - I can't say that these refugees have been contributing to Danish society as such. They weren't allowed. They've been living in a refugee center all the time without being allowed to take a job and live a normal life. Children have been going to school, though. This is half of the injustice, I think.
I too hope for a civilized outcome. It would be very uncivilized to see armed people using force inside a church, wouldn't it?
WillYum # 17. May 2009, 07:47
I hope you are right and I hope those in power see the sensibility.
Good luck.
Yum
PainterWoman # 17. May 2009, 08:16
My state has had them come in by the thousands and it has increased considerably in the last ten years. They are hired illegally by companies because they will take lower wages. For example, a construction worker with 20 yrs experience cannot get hired. We have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the U.S. because of this.
Most of them pay no taxes with the money they earn, yet they get free medical assistance, free food and many other things. They buy cars with cash or steal them, and rarely have insurance on these cars, which is also illegal. Then if they cause an accident, this also costs us money. They often flea from accidents because either the car is stolen or the license plate is stolen. They steal dead people's social security numbers and use it to their benefit as well.
WillYum # 17. May 2009, 08:40
Yum
PainterWoman # 17. May 2009, 08:45
ricewood # 17. May 2009, 09:03
In this case I think my government has made a misjudgment. I will resist - in every legal way.
The immigrant thing is different, in my humble opinion.
PainterWoman # 17. May 2009, 09:16
wickedlizard # 17. May 2009, 14:01
musickna # 18. May 2009, 03:06
studio41 # 18. May 2009, 06:33
political and/or humanitarian issues or opinions on social justice often distill down to: "would you help one in need if you knew they were in need-- or not?!"
then the distinctions, the differences of opinions murk many of us together... and pull some of us way apart. it is perhaps then that political parties cease and desist momentarily and we glimpse the heart. two human parties come forth, helpers and persecutors.
ricewood # 18. May 2009, 07:48
The other side of the story is the general attitude toward immigration from my government. The attitude seems to be as few immigrants as possible. I am politically in opposition to that attitude. In my opinion we need immigrants. We need immigrants who will participate with the further development of our democracy. We need immigrants who will do a great job in society. We need immigrants who will challenge the norms and ways in this country.
I will always act, if I see somebody in dire straits - and I will continue to think that love for my neighbor into my political convictions.
As Jill says - would you help someone in need if you knew they were in need? And let me add - as an individual and as a country.
I know that neither I, nor my country, can save the world. But we can do our bit.
Here in Europe we have a lot of people from Northern Africa coming in small, crummy boats. Many of those drown on their way to Europe. Some are busted at the shore and send back. But you know what, after risking their lives and being send back - they make the journey again. And again.
They want a future. Simple as that. I know all of Africa can't live in Europe - but I can understand why they try some of them.
If I didn't have a decent future, if I had no hope to make a decent living for myself, I think I would have done the same as a young man.
A whole lot of my grandfather's generation did just that when Europe was suffering. They went to America, and they made America in a way. I think that was mostly because they were generally welcomed.
How can we in Europe expect immigrants to become productive parts of society when the first thing we do to them when they set foot on our soil is to kick them in the ass?
studio41 # 18. May 2009, 08:34
and then often comes the question, what is the 'meeting of a need'? who gets to define that (ideally, realistically) and so goes another debate...
animosity is felt toward a nation who is strong and its people who don its strength (or think they do) and/or the people of a nation at war and the refugees it produces who must flee elsewhere-- what of the people that some see as 'freedom fighters' let's say? isn't their cause justified, one might ask?... "well, no!, certainly NOT!" says the powerful nation or those of a differing religious persuasion... and so goes another debate. it is rather complicated in many cases, for the citizen and the politically powerful.
but each person has heart of benevolence for people, or desire for their own power and/or flesh-- we don't need to look at some war to see the ravagings or cravings of the human soul and its effects. we can, some of us, see depravity, selfishness and greed and lust for power on our own back step-- or as we walk in our own front door-- one must look in the mirror to see if a some of these things reside inside... hence causing our own personal wars of tyranny...
Important to know peace. And her Prince-- that is ultimately what will help an individual and a nation. I know at times, I need all the help I can get, inside and out! Allan, you and I can certainly agree on that
ricewood # 18. May 2009, 09:50
This is really simple. Or this is really complicated. I know how to deconstruct even the simplest by cutting even the simplest matter into little pieces and look at each piece alone. That way simple things become complicated.
Sometimes I can make a really complicated thing simple by asking only one question, the main one, the core question so to speak. And then let the core answer, the one from the heart, be the right answer.
In this case, Jill, you asked the core question. If I see a person in need, will I help or will I not help?
I'd personally rather make mistakes than be cold-hearted.
Anonymous # 22. May 2009, 21:32
Denmark
I am shalaw and 23 years old , I am one person of those people in the church,
I want to tell you if we go back to Iraq we gonna be kill ,
We came to the church because we want to be alive,
I came to Denmark because I could not live in Iraq any longer from when I got problem with some terrorist and they are still in Iraq, I am sure if I go back they will kill me too , as my brother and mother ,they killed my brother in 2006 before I came to Denmark and killed my mother too 4 months ago before I came to the church.
I can prove all things that I am saying to them but they don’t care about it! They only care about the un agreement between them!
I am just telling Danish government open all the cases to people let them decide to stay in Denmark or going back, the first open up my case to everyone and show to all the people in world.
ricewood # 22. May 2009, 21:43
If only people would see you guys not as numbers and cases but individuals, and understand that the west has a great responsibility for what is happening in Iraq.
You have all shown courage and good spirit in seeking shelter in a church. Now it's up to the rest of us to advocate for your cause and help with what we can.
Good luck. May your God be with you.
Anonymous # 14. August 2009, 04:05
Allan ... I am from Iraq.
In fact for the last 500 years, simply Iraqi oldest churches and Monasteries (which are considered the oldest of the oldest in the world) - are converted to Mosques by force ... and only by force.
You can read the Old and New testament to know the real history of this country!
The simplest word they say is - "HE IS JUST A CHRISTIAN" - "HE FOLLOWS A FAKED BOOK - which is the Bible" this is what I hear in my homeland!
Now Arabs are seeking a church to stay away from the homeland that they took by force!
Violence generates violence ... this is the rule
History loves a paradox!
I am not excluding the dirty role of the USA - and their dirty policies (and in fact I am studying in USA now)
ricewood # 14. August 2009, 07:02
I know. Iraq is, and was, a war-torn country. Lately my country has been present there with weapon and force, too.
I just hope that our presence hasn't been adding too much to the mayhem.
AnitaMargita # 15. August 2009, 20:06