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News From Iran - Streaming Video

Don't let the rigid priesthood of Iran decide what the world will see and not see.

Go here in order to watch streaming video made by Iranians in the middle of it all.

The Internet can't be blocked. Information flows freely.


Also, a short clip showing Iranian people protesting in Aarhus, my home town. Nobody was shooting anybody here, but chanting and applauding they did. And the mayor showed up and thanked everybody for coming. The guy with the megaphone, that is.








Iraqi Refugees Seeking Shelter in Danish ChurchAbstract Nature

Comments

PainterWoman 22. June 2009, 15:50

Thanks for that link Allan.

derWandersmann 22. June 2009, 15:51

Thank you, Allan ... It is interesting to note the invective coming from the forces of reaction.

nopanic 22. June 2009, 18:15

Hope all these protest demonstrations, around the world will help.

Stardancer 22. June 2009, 18:48

I echo Nic's hopes.

:frown:

ricewood 22. June 2009, 21:47

I echo all what you guys say

edwardpiercy 22. June 2009, 22:20

You know I hate to say this because it may very well be taken to mean more than it does, but watching this stuff over the past few days has stirred up a few additional thoughts in my head.

You know we here in the US went through two very close elections in 2000 and again in 2004. And in each the losing side brought up issues of voter fraud. Well I don't remember any outside states (Germany, for example) coming out then and decrying our "repressive government" or whatever.

The Iranian goverment crackdown was of course terrible. But in fact it sort of reminds me of the reaction of our own police forces during the World Trade Association protests in Seattle a few years ago.

You see, we have our our problems here. So I wonder how much of this in the West is really due to the fact that the guy we wanted to see win didn't win. So we're like some spoiled child yelling foul.

Let me ask a question. Let's say Azerbinazad would have lost the election. And let's say that he lost be a close margin. And let's say he claimed voter fraud. Do you think that the West would have been taking his side, decrying the election? Of course not.

I hope Iraq moves to a more moderate government. And as I mentioned I think this is a start. But we can't expect things to happen simply because we want them to happen, or that they would happen when we would like them to happen.

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.



ricewood 22. June 2009, 22:35

One difference only - in this case the press is silenced. That's the difference that makes it worth the while for me.

I have previously posted Youtube clips showing Danish police beating the crap out of kids. It's not that we don't have problems either.

But no foreign reporters were kicked out of Denmark then.

USA have had Guantanamo to deal with. That was bad, too. But everybody could write about it. And, as I remember, a lot of European media talked about those close US elections in a very conspicuous way back then.

I don't know, as earlier stated, whether the election in Iran was okay or not. The problem is that nobody knows.

Where I work, we get routine checks on everything from the level of education to safety. Also governments should be ready to be investigated - that's actually very healthy - for everybody.

edwardpiercy 22. June 2009, 22:43

I agree about the press coverage. But Saudi doesn't exactly have great freedom of the press either. And yet we support them. Because they've got a lot of oil that we are buying from them.

China closed down most of it's press and put a damper on the foreign press during the Olympics. There was some criticism. But the games still continued. And I'm happy that they did, but in terms of human rights or freedom of the press the US says virtually nothing against China. Because we owe them so much financial debt.

In any case, I will gladly concede your point.

ricewood 22. June 2009, 22:49

I agree. There are certain double standards involved here.

But we also see western leaders walking on eggshells here. They sympathize with the protesters, but dare not talk the Iranian government back. Not for real. Everybody is afraid to give them the benefit of saying that foreign countries are trying to control - maybe invade.

I think the best way to support free speech right now is to distribute free speech and let the Iranians to the marching.

If major protests were seen in China, like several years back, I guess we'd see the same sort of reaction from the world as in this case. And for the same reasons. Plus a bit of money.

edwardpiercy 22. June 2009, 23:03

Yes. And it really would I think be to Iran's benefit to open things up and -- hey, imagine this -- publish some actual election numbers. :D

studio41 23. June 2009, 02:35

the truth eventually makes itself known... sometimes from dust and ashes...

edwardpiercy 23. June 2009, 03:13

Nicely put.

derWandersmann 23. June 2009, 04:21

Well, I have just heard from Amir, and he is all right ... which is a great relief. His revolutionary spirit seems unquenched as well, which is encouraging.

ricewood 23. June 2009, 06:48

Now, that's good to know Wandersmann!

studio41 23. June 2009, 08:21

glad your friend is alright Wandersmann!

nopanic 23. June 2009, 21:13

I keep thinking of Neda Agha Soltan . The girl that was shot
:frown:

ricewood 23. June 2009, 21:51

I do, too. Unfortunately I saw the full video - now I can't get it out of my head. That was grim.

derWandersmann 23. June 2009, 22:17

Yes ... she is the world's sister, now, and the world weeps for her.

studio41 24. June 2009, 07:34

terribly young and tragic

cakkleberrylane 24. June 2009, 20:38

Very sad.

lokutus_prime 25. June 2009, 14:40

"I agree. There are certain double standards involved here."

Where the west is concerned, particularly Britain and the USA, there have always been double standards. It suits "diplomacy" to play the "oil-card". Saudi Arabia is one of the two remaining feudal societies where the ruler has absolute authority and none can question or change what happens.

..and what about Burma? Let's all have a lot of reaction about that terrible regime. Iran is bad enough, but at least we can see and report, to some extent, on what is happening there and there is a slim chance they will eventually listen to the outside world, at some stage.
But Burma is closed and our Western press is content merely to speculate and report but never to shake things up with regular articles. Same goes for our public. It's a very sad state of affairs.

ricewood 25. June 2009, 14:55

I absolutely agree.

Though there was much talking going on while a revolt was taking place inside Myanmar.

lokutus_prime 25. June 2009, 15:04

..but not enough and not sustained... and now "double standards" turns its eyes to other more 'profitable' areas.

ricewood 25. June 2009, 15:24

True. Too true.

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