Ruarí's thoughts

Feedback on fonts issues

Tuesday, May 4, 2010 2:50:15 PM

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Many users are happy with the way fonts are setup, whilst others have complained that they still have outstanding issues. What is the status? Well there are three main issues that we are aware of and are working to fix are:

  • CSS transformed text looks bad when using slight or medium hinting
  • Font rendering looks different to the system when using slight or medium hinting
  • Fonts render too narrow when subpixel rendering is applied to truetype fonts containing bitmap characters

If believe you have another issue that we should also be considering please do report it via our bug wizard.

I'll say that again for effect, report your issue via our bug wizard! Please don't just report it below or in the comments of one of the snapshots. The development team work from our bug database and as such I can copy in relevant team members on bugs that are reported there. Asking them to look at this blog post (where people might mention various different issues) will get messy very fast!

In your bug report we would appreciate the following detail:

1. What are your font settings currently? The best way to capture this in a standard format is by using the following command:

xrdb -query | grep Xft

2. What distro (including distro version) are you using?

3. What fonts are installed? There are two things you can do for us here. Firstly, it would also be very useful if you start Opera with:

opera -debugfont &

and again include the output from the terminal. This lets us know what fonts are on your system, which are preffered and if any where blacklisted.

Additionally so that we can recreate your setup if needs be, it would really help to know exactly which font providing packages are installed. You can find out by using Fontconfig to list all the fonts it finds and then pass this list to your package manager, which will in turn will tell you what packages they belong to. Here are some examples using dpkg (Debian, Ubuntu, Mepis, etc.), rpm (Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, etc.), pacman (Arch, Chakra, Frugalware, etc.), Gentoo (and derivatives), Slackware (and derivatives) and FreeBSD (and derivatives):

dpkg: 
fc-list : file | sed "s/: $//" | xargs dpkg -S | sed "s/: .*//" | sort -u

rpm: 
fc-list : file | sed "s/: $//" | xargs rpm -qf | sort -u

pacman: 
fc-list -f "%{file} " | xargs pacman -Qqo | sort -u

Gentoo-based distros (needs portage-utils installed):
fc-list -f "%{file} " | xargs qlist | sort -u

Slackware-based distros:
fc-list : file | sed -nr "s,^/((usr|opt).*): ,-e \1,p" | xargs grep -Fr /var/log/packages | sed "s,.*/\(.*\):.*,\1," | sort -u

FreeBSD and variants (e.g. PC-BSD, GhostBSD, etc.):
fc-list -f "-W %{file} " | xargs pkg_info | sed "s/.* //" | sort -u

Note: Many other Linux package managers have commands equivalent to 'dpkg -S [file]' (search for package name by file ownership), check the man page for your package manager of choice or have a look at the 'Search by file name' section of this distrowatch page.

4. Provide or link to an example page that demonstrates your issue.

5. Where possible please also take a screenshot, showing how the page looks on your Opera 10.5x install comparative to Opera 10.10. Or if you don't have 10.10 installed, use another browser on your system that you consider to display the page correctly.

Note: Including a valid email address in your bug report will allow us to contact you if we need more information about your setup. Additionally it will make it simpler for you to provide screenshots as you will be able to email them in via an address that we provide as part of the bug logging process. I can assure you that your email address will only be used for the purpose of gaining feedback for bugs you report.

If you want to post back here afterwards with the bug tracking number I'll be able to use this to quickly find your specific bug report.

Thanks in advance for all your assistance. With detailed bug reports we hope to making 10.5x the best *nix release of Opera ever! wink

Upgraded Ubuntu and found that Opera was no longer installed?Using WebM support in more recent Linux builds

Comments

arghwashier Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:36:03 PM

Mandriva also directly imports fonts from windows partitions, so these won't be installed through the package manager....

ppurka Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:52:53 PM

Posted Bug ID: DSK-297476

Leszek WrońskiElwro Tuesday, May 4, 2010 5:01:18 PM

Thank you for this post, Ruari... now I know the bug I'm experiencing is being looked into :-)

Corey Mwambacoreymwamba Tuesday, May 4, 2010 5:24:21 PM

DSK-297483

Hope all the info helps!

CaseCase1 Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:39:02 PM

Yes, thanks for acknowledging the hinting problems. I'll update my previous bugreport from April (DSK-295611) with some additional info according to this post ASAP.

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:22:30 PM

With Opera i have noticed two problems:

1.) Fonts are typewriter style
2.) Opera still using system fonts even if i upgraded to Windows fonts that works with Firefox and Chrome.

If on Fedora problems go away then tell as, i hope that this will be fixed, fonts looks like they came from OS2 or somewhere.

Jolicloud fonts Chrome vs Opera system default fonts:
http://www.shrani.si/f/w/if/hCtagRB/screenshot-j-running-sun.jpg

And do you really need bug report for every thing to get fixed in that way you will not fix a lot in the next 10 years sorry, users hate forms so don't expect more bug reports. Why not use just one prepared text window to put text in specific line.

Bela Lubkinfilbo Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:38:34 PM

FWIW, on this Ubuntu 10.04 x86_32 system w/P4 HT 2.8GHz, running cat list-of-font-files | xargs -n1 dpkg -S took 528 seconds; dpkg -S `cat list-of-font-files` took 0.576s. Interestingly, the 916:1 ratio is very close to the 840 input lines being processed -- apparently dpkg -S runtime is almost completely dominated by startup time.

The outputs were perfectly identical.

Output of cat list-of-font-files | xargs dpkg -S (without "-n1") was also identical, and ran in 0.582s, indistinguishable from the other fast way. This would be the best choice since xargs is supposed to be able to carve up the input as necessary to meet command line limits.

In the end, 784 of the 840 fonts were found in 37 packages.

55 fonts under /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ were not tracked down to a package by dpkg, which probably indicates a bug in the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package. I'm pretty sure a .deb can inform the packaging system about files it has created which were not specifically listed in the original package manifest.

1 font (/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-japanese-gothic.ttf) was not found because dpkg didn't chase symlinks through /etc/alternatives to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/takao/TakaoPGothic.ttf (which had been found under its own path, belonging to package "ttf-takao-pgothic").

I'm sufficiently familiar with RPM to say that rpm -qf [long-list-of-args] also works. Don't know anything about pacman that doesn't involve weird acid trips about eating dots & being chased by colorful ghosts...

Roman Kyrylychrkyrylych Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:40:04 PM

Ruari, you can replace `xargs -n1 pacman -Qo 2>/dev/null | sed -e "s,.*is owned by ,,"` with `xargs -n1 pacman -Qqo 2>/dev/null` which will output package names only (the -q option) and will also work with localized pacman output (i.e. with non-English pacman translation).

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Tuesday, May 4, 2010 9:23:14 PM

Following feedback from arghwashier, filbo and rkyrylych I have updated the font package list commands. I no longer filter out errors where packages cannot be determined, the commands are optimised for speed and I avoid localization issues. Thanks all of you! bigsmile

P.S. I also changed the initial fc-list command (since I realised that 'fc-list -v' gives different output in older versions) and added a link to:

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=package-management

in the main blog post. The 'Search by file name' section of this page could be useful to people with other package managers (e.g. portage, equo, conary, pisi, etc.)

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Tuesday, May 4, 2010 9:24:03 PM

Also thanks to those of you who posted bug reports. I'll start looking at them tomorrow.

Patkos Csabapatkoscsaba Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:26:38 AM

This is my webfonts petbug: DSK-297566.

I couldn't remember or find my previous report, so I just reported it again with more details. This one is driving me crazy ...

@Ruari: thanks for the extra blog-post concerning fonts. I think it was really necessary.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:54:01 AM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

Why not use just one prepared text window to put text in specific line.

Because without exactly the same settings, on the same distro, with the same fonts installed, two users will not necessarily see the same thing.

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Wednesday, May 5, 2010 7:19:19 AM

"Two users will not necessarily see the same thing"

Now we're getting somewhere at last, why don't you fix on your own then, not asking users to do so.

Am pretty sure that you can try to use many settings and localizations if that is the problem, just install VBOX you can have unlimited installs of distros and settings, sometimes is better to use a hammer and not wait and bottom line a dev. can look better than just normal user it's a lot faster that way.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 7:33:50 AM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

Now we're getting somewhere at last, why don't you fix on your own then, not asking users to do so.

We are not asking users to fix problems. We are asking users to highlight problems and give details of their setups so that we can replicate the issue and hence confirm for ourselves once it is fixed. We can't fix what we can't see.

Originally posted by italianjob44:

Am pretty sure that you can try to use many settings and localizations if that is the problem, just install VBOX you can have unlimited installs of distros and settings.

We do test a wide variety of setups but I think you fail to realise the number of possible combinations that are available. Sure I could setup 70 virtual installs each with a different distro and try numerous combinations of font installations and tweaks of settings but this would take a considerable amount of time. Additionally, fonts are not the only bug being worked on. We'd need an exceptionally large QA team to be able to do this for every bug. The point of snapshots and betas is so that interested users can help with testing if they like. This is particularly helpful in highlighting setup combinations that we haven't yet considered. You appear to be suggesting that we could do all of this ourselves, which in turn suggests that we need not bother with snapshots and betas as they are redundant.

Don't get me wrong, yours and other people's testing is very much appreciated but if you are getting frustrated remember that nobody is forcing you to test. You can wait for the final if you prefer. wink

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Wednesday, May 5, 2010 7:46:34 AM

bigsmile

Yes a admit that Linux have ugly fonts that are not compatible with most of the sites, but only Opera is making them to look even worser.

You are still doing admirable job, most browser are just copycats.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 7:50:00 AM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

Yes a admit that Linux have ugly fonts that are not compatible with most of the sites, but only Opera is making them to look even worser.

Not intentionally p This is work in progress, they will improve.

Originally posted by italianjob44:

You are still doing admirable job, most browser are just copycats.

Thank you for the feedback and the bugs you have reported.

Bela Lubkinfilbo Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:23:13 AM

Originally posted by ruario:

I also changed the initial fc-list command

If you use fc-list -f '%{file}\n' : you can omit the sed stage of the pipeline. Note, I'm not familiar with older versions of fc-list, don't know if this is universal.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:37:08 AM

@filbo: It works in most modern distros but testing on a system with fontconfig version 2.6.0 I get the following:

$ fc-list -f '%{file}\n'
fc-list: invalid option -- f

Nice try though! wink

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:39:50 AM

@Bela Lubkin do you know what's going on with fonts?

Opera send me:
fc-list : file | sed -e "s,: $,," | xargs dpkg -S | sed -e "s,: .*,," | sort -u

I give back:
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Courier_New_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Times_New_Roman_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/times.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Georgia_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Webdings.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Times_New_Roman_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Trebuchet_MS_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Black.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Times_New_Roman_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Times_New_Roman.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/timesi.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Comic_Sans_MS.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/comic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Courier_New_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/trebucbi.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Courier_New.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Georgia_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/trebucit.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/georgiab.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/georgiai.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/georgiaz.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ariblk.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/trebucbd.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ariali.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Georgia_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Impact.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/courbd.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Trebuchet_MS_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/courbi.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/verdanaz.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/verdanab.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/comicbd.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/trebuc.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/cour.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/verdanai.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/arialbi.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Georgia.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Trebuchet_MS.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Courier_New_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/arialbd.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Comic_Sans_MS_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-japanese-gothic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/timesbd.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/couri.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana_Bold.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/timesbi.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Trebuchet_MS_Bold_Italic.ttf not found.
dpkg: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Andale_Mono.ttf not found.
gsfonts
latex-xft-fonts
ttf-dejavu-core
ttf-freefont
ttf-indic-fonts-core
ttf-kacst
ttf-kacst-one
ttf-khmeros-core
ttf-lao
ttf-liberation
ttf-opensymbol
ttf-punjabi-fonts
ttf-takao-pgothic
ttf-thai-tlwg
ttf-unfonts-core
ttf-vlgothic
ttf-wqy-microhei
ttf-wqy-zenhei
xfonts-mathml
xfonts-scalable

But still i definitely use msttcorefonts with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts and maybe is Opera looking for it under user and not the system if self!

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 12:01:42 PM

@italianjob44: Look at the Debian package (or the Ubuntu one, which is the same) and you'll see it contains no true type fonts itself, e.g.

1. Pull apart the deb file:
$ ar x ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.2_all.deb

2. Check data.tar.gz for true type fonts:
$ tar tf data.tar.gz | grep -c '\.ttf$'
0

The key to what is happening is in the post install script. You can extract it as follows:
$ tar xf control.tar.gz ./postinst

I won't replicate the contents here (open it in an editor if you really want to read it). Suffice to say it uses wget to download the fonts, then it extracts them with cabextract and places them in the right locations. Hence dpkg itself is not aware of the individual font files. If you are wondering why it does this I seem to recall that it is about getting around some MS licensing problem (I'm sure someone else can fill in the exact specifics).

Originally posted by italianjob44:

But still i definitely use msttcorefonts with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts and maybe is Opera looking for it under user and not the system if self!

This will not cause Opera any problems. It looks for fonts in the fontconfig configured locations. The only side effect you see is that dpkg does not realise that these fonts are associated with the mscorefonts (ttf-mscorefonts-installer) package.

P.S. Thanks for your font list. I was waiting for it! p Your issue is one of the three already highlighted and being looked at, specifically "Font rendering looks different to the system when using slight or medium hinting".

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 12:24:24 PM

@italianjob44: It seems that the Microsoft EULA associated with these fonts allows redistribution if the packages are kept in their original format. Distros work around this by having packages which are essentially only postinstall scripts. These pull down the fonts 'packaged in their original format' and then unpack them locally. If the fonts were included 'natively' within the .deb it would go against the EULA. Or at least this is my understanding of the situation.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 1:14:50 PM

Originally posted by filbo:

55 fonts under /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ were not tracked down to a package by dpkg, which probably indicates a bug in the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package. I'm pretty sure a .deb can inform the packaging system about files it has created which were not specifically listed in the original package manifest.

Actually I don't think you actually can do this. Though generally it isn't such a big problem as very few packages have to jump through such hoops.

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Wednesday, May 5, 2010 2:12:59 PM

But still with or without msttcorefonts Opera gives bad fonts on Ubuntu but looks like it's working on Fedora.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Wednesday, May 5, 2010 2:57:17 PM

@italianjob44: Because Fedora is more cautious about patenting so do not use the same hinting and smoothing methods that Ubuntu employ. That is why I said that without exactly the same settings, distro and fonts installed, two users will not necessarily see the same thing.

If you setup Fedora and Ubuntu with the same font settings and same selection of fonts, then load the same page in another browser, screenshot the results and zoom, you will see that they are not 100% the same there either. The results might not be as dramatic but they will be different.

Hopefully this demonstrates how important getting enough data is. The vast majority of the font bugs logged say something along the lines of, "The fonts look bad, fix them", without even a screenshot. I understand the frustration of the user and we really want to help but that isn't a lot to work with. Also I am not trying to pass the buck here. I fully recognise that we have a responsibility to help guide users in terms of providing the information we need, hence this blog post. It was faster than writing multiple emails asking for the same thing over and over again. Instead I can just direct users here. wink

Blaz(ž) Pristavitalianjob44 Wednesday, May 5, 2010 3:54:31 PM

OK ok...i will be switching to Fedora 13 that will fix many things.

Opera working with M$ fonts addon just nice
http://www.enra.nl/ works under Opera
No Mono inside distro (Silverlight junk)
I never used 64-bit and i still will not what for?

The end...
http://www.shrani.si/f/3a/GK/3799chf3/screenshot-1.jpg

PS: 13 days remains to Fedora 13 cheers

Anonymous Wednesday, May 5, 2010 4:58:56 PM

ilaiho writes: Opera no more honors system antialiasing settings on Linux. I have disabled the horrible font blurring, “antialiasing”, from fonts.conf. Please honor fonts.conf, or at least add an option to disable that horrible blurring.

Bela Lubkinfilbo Thursday, May 6, 2010 1:12:21 PM

Originally posted by ruario:

Originally posted by filbo:

I'm pretty sure a .deb can inform the packaging system about files it has created which were not specifically listed in the original package manifest.

Actually I don't think you actually can do this.

Hmmmm, then what is the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get remove --purge?

FedoraSeatSniffer Thursday, May 6, 2010 1:22:14 PM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

OK ok...i will be switching to Fedora 13 that will fix many things.


I support this, my distro never fails

Bela Lubkinfilbo Thursday, May 6, 2010 1:23:36 PM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

http://martin.ankerl.com/2009/01/22/beautiful-font-hinting-in-ubuntu-810/

Nice demo, but the "legacy" rendering looks much worse on this monitor than the modern version. "legacy" is spindly with lots of yellow & blue fringing; modern is robust and black. This stuff depends on your eyes, hardware, software, and personal preferences...

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Thursday, May 6, 2010 2:02:45 PM

Originally posted by filbo:

Hmmmm, then what is the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get remove --purge?

Hmmmm, you have a good point! wink

Максимhtml-coder Thursday, May 6, 2010 2:58:43 PM

Originally posted by italianjob44:

http://martin.ankerl.com/2009/01/22/beautiful-font-hinting-in-ubuntu-810/


IMHO fonts are horrible worried
Good fonts:

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Greemeiskober Thursday, May 6, 2010 3:02:30 PM

Thank you for this post

Hasinahasina Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:48:05 PM

The font displays differently for me in 10.53 when compared to 10.20.

The left in the image is 10.20 while the right is 10.53, with the font setting for web page text being arial in both.

In 10.20 I have an option to select arial[monotype] which is listed just as arial in 10.53. Is there a way to make 10.53 display fonts as the earlier version?




PS: I have mscorefonts installed on Linux Mint. I presume this information may not be adequate but I am not comfortable with reporting this as a bug without knowing more.

Corey Mwambacoreymwamba Saturday, May 8, 2010 3:54:14 AM

Hello,

I've sent some more information - but I wanted to ask. I did the xrdb query and it brought up no entries for Xft on the desktop. The desktop here has KDE 3.5.something, which I use for Kontact. And it's KDE that has anti-aliasing settings enabled. And Opera looks fine on the desktop.

It's the laptop where the fonts have messed up - build 6273 was the last build that looked fine there. But there's no KDE there. Is there any link?

JarradAkdor1154 Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:12:52 AM

Ruari, thanks for the article, it's great to know this is being given much thought.
I'm interested to know, though; what are the causes behind the issues with slight and medium hinting? Is it just that you guys are having to implement rendering from scratch and full hinting is all that's been gotten to so far? Or are there other reasons?

Does anyone miss Qt? lol
(joke, not flamebait)

Anonymous Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:26:03 PM

Anonym writes: there is an "issue" with websites using Helvetica Neue as their css font-family, like opera.com. all text using "Helvetica Neue" will be displayer as "Helvetica Neue Black" simply because "black" comes alphabetically first (before "Medium" or "Roman"). but this makes the text almost unreadable and the whole website ugly. a workaround is changing the css using dragonfly, but thats very painful to do on every website using helvetica neue. can this be fixed? i'll check the comments via rss

Anonymous Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:17:29 PM

Anonym writes: @Ruari #5 A 'dpkg -L ttf-mscorefonts-installer' would do this job slightly easier than your complicated look inside the package

Cutting Spoonhellspork Monday, May 17, 2010 12:35:29 AM

Anonym: results vary with distro, thanks to verious naming conventions. This is why it's important for the EULA to allow distro-specific installer tweaks. Font detection can be a nightmare on *nix, especially if rich typesetting is one of your most important features.

Anonymous Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:59:29 AM

Inkognito writes: Still using 10.10 Build 4742 on Mandriva 2010.0 64 bit Why? Every 10.5 snapshot so far had unusable font. I have no idea why is that, why changing font handling when it worked fine in 10.10? I hope this issue is fixed for finale release, I will not use Opera with poor font rendering.

Cutting Spoonhellspork Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:03:13 PM

my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog

Latest test release for *nix includes a number of the new font fixes. The known issues also may help narrow down what part of your settings Opera did not like.

Томица Кораћtomica Wednesday, June 2, 2010 4:44:05 PM

Hi all,
I'm not sure ig this has anything to do with these particular font issues, but I can't log in to my router's config page (192.168.1.1). When I type the IP and hit enter, the login windows occurs, but it' not possible to type in neither user name nor password. It's possible though to paste values via right click > paste in both text fields. Can that be a bug or did I do anything wrong?

Helge Gjølmehelgeag Thursday, June 3, 2010 6:38:09 AM

Fonts look like crap on Linux. Fix it!

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Thursday, June 3, 2010 7:52:20 AM

Thanks for that Helge, particularly when you know I spent a fair amount of yesterday checking fixes for font bugs!

For those not aware. Helge is a Windows colleague who happens to sit right next to me. p

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Thursday, June 3, 2010 7:53:45 AM

Oh and Helge one other thing. Get all these crashes fixed won't you? What the hell is up with all of that! I can't even use the bbc website. I blame you, work faster!!

Patkos Csabapatkoscsaba Thursday, June 3, 2010 8:53:07 AM

lol lol lol lol

Томица Кораћtomica Thursday, June 3, 2010 9:29:52 AM

So, nobody can tell anything about my problem sad Pitty.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Thursday, June 3, 2010 10:17:15 AM

@tomica: your issue isn't related to fonts so isn't really on topic. I would post of the forums and state your make and model of router. That way if someone else has the same they can confirm if it is a real issue.

ppurka Friday, June 4, 2010 2:27:02 AM

Somehow the fonts in the latest builds are really worse for me (they were not antialiased earlier but now it seems the "not-antialiasing" is much worse). http://omploader.org/vNGh3MA

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