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Last weekend we went to the Strong Sun Powwow in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. This was our second powwow, and we have discovered that we like them a lot. We view them as significant cultural events, plus they are just plain fun.

Here are a few images. All are clickable for greater detail. Select "all sizes" upon landing on the flickr page.

The entire powwow photo set is available here on flickr.

Image #1: a teepee!

Strong Sun Powwow -- Teepee

Image #2: these guys and gals in the orange shirts were the vocal/percussion section. They were outstanding. Their mega-drums aren't visible in this image.

Strong Sun Powwow -- Drummers

Image #3: Amazing guy.

Strong Sun Powwow -- 7/11/09

Image #4: Nice looker.

Strong Sun Powwow -- Grass Dance

Image #5: :up:

Strong Sun Powwow -- Grass Dance



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Comments

daxonmacs 17. July 2009, 07:23

One thing I certainly would like to do,when I cross the ocean is visiting the native americans.
For some reason, I have deep sympathy and respect for those people.
Nice and colourful pictures.
Too bad that guy didn't plant feathers on his "wings"

slackwrdave 17. July 2009, 07:44

I haven't been right since I saw those ears.

Seen on a bumpersticker: "let go of my ears, I know what I'm doing!"

daxonmacs 17. July 2009, 07:50

:eyes:
That car was probably owned by some girl that worked at the local hotel, downtown :D

PainterWoman 17. July 2009, 13:16

Great bunch of photos David. Love the closeups of the feathered headdresses. We have one every year in Phoenix and I've been to a couple of them. Very interesting to see.

slackwrdave 17. July 2009, 15:02

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

I have deep sympathy and respect for those people


I have been reading a book by Howard Zinn called A People's History of the United States. It details much of the near extermination of the native people. The "trail of tears" death marches, well, I've always had a vague awareness that things were bad, but these marches were especially sadistic. Part of what makes the powwows special for me is that I am amazed that any of the culture has survived at all.

Originally posted by PainterWoman:

We have one every year in Phoenix


Hey! Years ago I lived in Tempe for awhile. While there, I think I read that about 1/4 of Arizona is reservations. From time to time the state government would shut down the reservation casinos and confiscate the equipment. I always felt that a reservation was sovereign territory and should only be invaded for the most dire of reasons. Then again, this issue is far larger than I could hope to understand quickly, so I don't know.

I went to the Casa Grande Ruins National Monument in Coolidge one time. I felt good there.

PainterWoman 17. July 2009, 15:12

I remember seeing the Casa Grande ruins about 50 years ago. Time to see it again. Another ruin to see is Montezuma's Castle. That is amazing.

We have the Heard Museum here which exhibits all Native American clay work, ceramics, baskets, weavings, jewelry, rugs, etc. Here is where the annual hoop dance competition and powpow is, although we call it Indian Fair and Market:

20th Annual Heard Museum World Champion Hoop Dance Contest
February 13 & 14, 2010, 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Thrill to the excitement as more than 70 dancers from throughout the U.S. and Canada vie for the nation's most prestigious hoop dancing prize. Food, frybread and shopping round out this event. Grand entry begins at 9:30 a.m. Admission includes the festival and all galleries.
__________________________________________________________
52nd Annual Heard Museum Guild Indian Fair & Market
March 6 & 7, 2010, 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Arizona's largest Indian market features more than 700 top American Indian artists, music and dance performances, artist demonstrations and an array of Native and other foods. Admission includes the festival and all galleries

slackwrdave 17. July 2009, 15:18

Originally posted by PainterWoman:

We have the Heard Museum here


I was *totally broke* when I lived in Tempe, and The Heard had a free day, which I think may have been Wednesdays. I saw a lot of amazing things there for no money. Nice memories. :up: I appreciated the free days so much.

PainterWoman 17. July 2009, 15:21

As to the reservations, yes there are many here although I don't know how much area is involved. The casinos are legal now so maybe the machines were confiscated years ago because they weren't? I don't know.

I took a very interesting Native American Religion class in college. Half the class were young Native Americans. One day we got started talking about the Phoenix Indian School which used to be on Central and Indian School Rds. I never knew much about it growing up. Learned alot from the students in this religion class and I was appalled. Back in the 40's and 50's, U.S. government officials went onto the reservations and literally took young children away from their families to put them in this school to educate them. Some families never saw these children again.

One young woman in my class had just recently met an uncle she'd never met who grew up in this school. He was 50 years old and had lost track of his family because our government adopted these children out to white american families without any say so from the Indian families. How dispicable is that.

ellinidata 17. July 2009, 17:57

this post fascinates me!
thanks dave! :heart:

hungryghost 20. July 2009, 15:35

lovely pictures and sounds like an interesting ceremony.

igor-michigan 20. July 2009, 22:14

1)Fun. Having seen picture 3 and 4 without having seen picture 5 I had an idea that Obama is on tour with Kiss. :idea:
2)

Originally posted by PainterWoman:

our government adopted these children out to white american families without any say so from the Indian families


What does it mean? Does it stand for the children was secretly stolen!? :yikes: How could their relatives have all links lost for such a long time?
As I know it was official all-states program of integration of Indians in the surounding society being adopted in mid 1930th. But it implies some clear and official procedures.

PainterWoman 20. July 2009, 22:31

No, not secretly stolen. From what I understand from the Native American students in the class I was taking, children were taken by social workers (or whoever does this sort of thing) to 'supposedly' educate them and integrate them into society. This was done with the family's consent. The families believed they'd see these children again. The children were supposed to be returned to their families. Either proper records weren't kept or were lost and their families supposedly couldn't be found so many of these children were adopted out.

I just wonder how hard our agencies really looked for the families of these children? What was the true intent of taking these children? Did the government agencies ever really intend to give them back? How do the social services agencies get away with losing records? Just doesn't seem right to me.

yooperprof 23. July 2009, 05:20

Did you have some fry bread? In my area, it's not a proper pow-wow without lots of fry bread.

bioscoopfan 23. July 2009, 13:56

As always, Your post is very entertaining, so is the discussion. Good to be back on Your blog after such a long time! I didn't know what pow-wow meant so I looked up and the first hit was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pow-wow :smile:

slackwrdave 23. July 2009, 22:02

Originally posted by bioscoopfan:

Good to be back on Your blog after such a long time!


I appreciate that. I enjoy your Budapest's Underground pics.

Originally posted by yooperprof:

Did you have some fry bread?


This is the first I've heard of it. I did have some grilled corn-on-the-cob that was good.

indianmaiden 24. July 2009, 02:10

Before you go to your THIRD Pow Wow you should check up on some Pow Wow etiquette, i.e. it is not OK to photograph dancers without permission from them (individually) nor is it cool to post them online with deragotory comments. What, did you think Indians were too dumb to use the internet too! You two must be about as smart as you look!

slackwrdave 24. July 2009, 02:17

I think you are a typical Internet ass and you are banned.

Try creating some content on your blog, but I doubt you have anything to offer.

Originally posted by indianmaiden:

it is not OK to photograph dancers without permission from them (individually)


Laughable. Cameras were everywhere, among natives and non.

Originally posted by indianmaiden:

nor is it cool to post them online with deragotory comments


Cite an example. Oh, forgot, banned.

Originally posted by indianmaiden:

did you think Indians were too dumb to use the internet too!


Speak for yourself.

painterwoman2 24. July 2009, 04:12

Come on now everyone has a right to speak. She is correct. The cameras that you saw were: 1. People that get paid by the sponsers to take. 2. People that are taking pictures of their own families. 3. People that have asked permission from the particular dancer.
Also,for Powwow etiquette see the handout that you received upon arrival or go to PowWows.com for that same information.
The guy with the "Kiss" makeup,I do happen to know him and he has to spend hours getting the makeup applied and authentic. Unfortunately, the guy with the "hot ears" can't help that they are prominent, because he was born that way! So, please don't block someone before giving them a chance just because you disagree.
PowWows are very fun! And everyone should attend, while using respect and following the MC's instructions regarding excatly what is proper. I think you most certainly learned that the circle is sacred and blessed and that you are not to enter without permission, did you not? So, just as that is part of the ceromony, there is a lot to learn, than you and your friends just attending. Remember that it is not just entertainment. It is a very sacred ceremony and you should be grateful that non-Indians are allowed to attend as this has not always been the case!
Hope this helps clear up some of the questions that PowWowers need to know.

UPDATE...............

I am very sorry that you feel like I was trying to portray you in any way shape or form. That was NOT the case. I received an email to check out these pictures. When I saw the "Indians" being made fun of, I just thought that I could help clear up some of the misunderstanding, that is all!

This is NOT the same person that had posted a comment, "maidenwoman", I believe was the name.

I have attended many Powwows over the years. All I was trying to do was share with everyone what I had learned and experienced, the hard way about the way Powwows are to be conducted.

I also took pictures at my very first attendance and was unfortunatly reprimanded. I am just glad that did not happen to you.

Not all Powwows are very clear on the specifics and it seems that this was the case here.

The only other thing that I feel I should make clear is that I was told by the MC, that if I did take pictures, that I was to first ask permission. Second, I was to let the dancer know that I would be willing to send them a copy of the pictures taken and get their address. So, from that point on that is how I have been handling it. It is not a "my way" thing.

Because of the reprimand, I tried to do as much research as possible before attending my next Powwow, so that I would not be called on again. It was very embarrasing to me, especially in public!

I really hope that there are no ill feelings anymore.

Okay, I'm done rambling on.

slackwrdave 24. July 2009, 09:40

The use of the handle painterwoman2 does not fool me.

Originally posted by painterwoman2:

Come on now everyone has a right to speak.


People can speak anything here if they act like human beings.

The only reason rude comments such as indianmaiden's are made online is that on the Internet a person is not in immediate danger of getting popped across the face like they so richly deserve.

Originally posted by painterwoman2:

So, please don't block someone before giving them a chance just because you disagree.


You logic is weak.

What's your next handle going to be?

slackwrdave 24. July 2009, 18:21

I might as well make a few points clearer:

There has been no banning because of disagreement. In fact, there has been no discussion at all, just insulting comments.

While it may have been a sacred ceremony with outsiders privileged to attend, it was held in a public park owned by the City of Winston Salem. I suppose if the ceremonies had been highly sacred with a need to control the public, the event would have been held somewhere else.

While in a public place, like that park, I would tend to swing a camera any direction I wanted to. With that said, if there had been any indication *at all* that cameras were not welcome, I would have complied. That, plus the number of cameras in use there would not have raised my suspicion in the least that there was a custom for photography or not. The powwow was advertised in many places with no mention of cameras, nor was there an aforementioned etiquette handout anywhere to be found. I, in fact, looked at every item on the check-in station, plus I had a nice, friendly, long chat with the ticket people, all while the rather large camera was hanging around my neck. Thinking back on the entire visit carefully, I got no indication all at from any source that there was even a camera issue.

As for powwows.com, I would have had no idea that that website should be checked prior to attending anything. I got my news about the powwow from other sources.

While my comments about one dancer having erotic ears and another somewhat reminding me of the band, Kiss, were a bit on the cheap side, there weren't meant to be derogatory, and I think it would be a stretch to say they were. I'm just cheap, like Dolly Parton, and this will sometimes be apparent on my blog.

Anyway, I'm almost done. You can't follow etiquette that you don't know about nor would have any suspicion of existing. Going way out of your way to portray me as a stupid insensitive person pretty much made this a non-discussion from the get-go. If you wanted someone to learn something, this didn't work.

Now, I'm done.

slackwrdave 24. July 2009, 20:13

Originally posted by painterwoman2:

When I saw the "Indians" being made fun of, I just thought that I could help clear up some of the misunderstanding, that is all!


While I think this is a big stretch, and I think some people want to be offended, I edited out my admiration for the ears and the exotic face paint.

Making fun of anybody other than the president is not my bag. I think the logic here is all over the place and is misguided.

yooperprof 24. July 2009, 21:15

Meanwhile. . .

frybread = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frybread

PainterWoman 24. July 2009, 21:18

Frybread is delicious with the beans, meat, lettuce and cheese on it and I usually have to share it with someone because it's so big. But my favorite way is with a little drizzle of honey.

bioscoopfan 25. July 2009, 00:38

Thanx for Your praising words about my album. If You use RSS on it, You always could see the updated version (I did it recently) but I guess You might have done it already.:smile:

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