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Opera Unite Review - Part 2

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Now onto the use cases. I actually wrote this first and will leave it in that original form for the sake of preserving my perspective.

Opera Unite is still in Beta but the architecture issues here are still fair game.


I've been playing with Opera Unite over the past couple of weeks, using it to share files and I must admit I'm disappointed. What is the problem Opera is trying to solve here? Let's use Opera's own words, "Opera Unite is a form of collaboration technology that allows you to share data such as files or photos with other users, directly from your computer." (What Is Unite)

File sharing. Excellent! I love file-sharing and often long for an easy fast method of sharing files... We'll get to an overall evaluation after a case-study.

Here is my need: I have 40 pictures I need to share. I need my friends to be able to view those pictures, inform me of their favorites (and why) and keep track of that information. I'm trying to come up with the overall favorite picture and two different genre "subfavorites" based on their collective opinions (with some people's opinion receiving more weight than others)

What do I have? I have the 40 pictures on my desktop. They are high resolution images of ~4MB each. I have a relatively slow DSL connection (1.5 down/740 kbps up) but I'm not running any other services on my connection so that isn't too bad for my friends.

I have a few options.
  • I could email the pics, I've tried this and while it is very convenient for my friends, it's nearly impossible when dealing with this many pictures of this size (I could scale them down, but again... more work).
  • I could upload to a web server. Currently, I have access to only a few and they aren't my "personal web space" -- so I'm not keen on putting my personal stuff up there. Hunting down a web host doesn't hold much appeal either (nor the cost of it).
  • I could use a service like Dropbox, it allows me to upload to their server (up to 2GB) free and I just have to "drop" my folders into my Public Folder (it is integrated with my OS). Then my friends could goto that site and download and view at their leisure and not dependent on my setup. Not too bad but...
  • Opera Unite. Being an Opera fan, I decided to give Opera Unite a go.


Case 1: Setup & Go

So, I activate Opera Unite, track down my folder and set it to share. It takes me a while to find the password box (my window was shrunk and I didn't think to scroll down, I thought the password option would be in Opera Unite settings, not on the page itself). Which gets to my first issue. Settings are not centralized. There are the right-click Opera Unite options (this is where you set the folder you want to use) and then there are the "page view" options (this is where you set the password). I had to mentally bridge the gap ("Oh, there are two entirely different places where you can set vital preferences on Opera Unite.")

I got it setup quickly as I was racing out the door to meet some friends I wanted to show the pics to. I arrive at their house and was excited I was going to be able to just pull the pictures up!

I goto the webpage and I discover two major problems. First, I had set up the Opera Unite service for "File Sharing" instead of "Photo Gallery" -- Whoops! -- Now instead of thumbnails, I had a list of 40 files (and no way to change it remotely). Worse, I discovered how painfully slow my upload connection was. About 3 minutes, per file. That's a problem, because my 3 friends are standing over the computer and we want to browse through and compare the best.

Okay, I'll just download them all and then look at them... Surely there is a... Nope, no way to download all the files. That's the second major issue. I resign myself to clicking each file (but not too many, because it errors-out) every few minutes. Eventually the files get downloaded and I show my friends.

Case 2: Different Times

Next, similar situation, now long distance. I want my friend on the East Coast to look at the photos and give me her opinion. I give her the URL and password information and say, "check it out."

She sent me an email not long after trying saying she couldn't get it to work. It so happens I have my laptop off at night (dang fan is way too loud). Now this is a "classic duh". Obviously, if you're computer is off, it's not going to work but this speaks to a major problem with this model. Asynchronous file-sharing is not possible. With stationary desktops, this isn't too much of an issue, with laptops it makes the solution completely untenable.

Case 3: It worked great! and can I....

Next up, a different friend in the Central Time Zone. I was going to go through the photos with her on the phone. By now, I've setup the Photo Sharing option so that thumbnails appear and it's much easier to navigate the photos. It works beautifully (it's a little slow but not unbearable). We spend half-an-hour on the photos and I get her favorites, we go back and forth, comparing, narrowing down. Excellent.

All of a sudden, I realize there are 20 other pictures I want her to look at. Now -- I'll be honest, my immediate mental solution may not have been the most efficient or effective but it was the first one that came to mind. I didn't want to change my file structure (dragging the 20 pictures from their folder into my "sharing" folder). So I decided to add another "Photo Sharing" Service (they are now called Apps). Now this process is unclear to me and I'm not sure I found the best method but I looked around for a way to just share another folder and couldn't find one.

I went to the "Add Opera Unite" service (after trying to add a "folder" and not having it display any "folder" selection options) and just added another Photo Sharing service, setting it to my other folder. Then I had my friend login to that service and we continued on. It is still very unclear to me how I should have done it "right".

Case 4: Got it working smoothly. It'd also be nice...

Finally, my friend in Mountain Time Zone (LOL, I just now realize I am traveling across the US). I was at a coffee shop far from home and plugged in my laptop to go through the pictures. It worked well but I realized how badly I wanted her to be able to provide recordable feedback on the photos so I didn't have to keep a little notepad of that information. Not possible. (even if I just typed in her feedback on each pic)

Case 5: Show me the pictures!

There is one intervening incident that took place that is worth mentioning. I was at a friend's house and I wanted to share a bunch of pictures I had taken earlier in the year. Again, large in size, about 40 of them. Alright, go Opera Unite!? I activated the Opera Unite service and pulled up the photos on my friends computer. My plan was to simply save the files that she liked on her computer.

However, it was running very slowly. I didn't understand it, we were on the same LAN together, it should have been operating much faster. At first I assumed that it was because all data was sent through Opera's proxy server in Norway (while this provide privacy and some additional security the cost is speed). Though our two computers were literally sitting next to eachother, it seemed each packet was having to go to Norway (via my slow upload) and back (via the somewhat speedier download).

I'm not sure what the issue was that caused the major slow down. Perhaps the proxy did activate and my theory is correct but I saw no way of *knowing* that. There is no indication, no flashing light, no status report.

Even in the photo gallery, saving files was not obvious at all. Right-clicking on the displayed image showed "void.gif" -- I'm sure it had something to do with how the navigation worked but if I'm sharing photos with my friends, 9 times out of 10, I want to let them keep them.

I quickly gave up, activated Windows File Sharing (gah) and luckily it worked. I dropped the whole folder in her computer and 6 minutes later it was done (She can prune unwanted pics later).

What went splat?

From my usability perspective:

First, the UI is bit unclear. I quickly got the idea of "services" (and I applaud the change to "Applications") and how to turn them on. However, the division of settings means I have to search different locations in order to make modifications (there are even further settings in opera:config but you'd only know that if you Googled Opera Unite and read through the FAQ). Further, I couldn't figure out how best to share multiple folders in different locations on my HD.

Second, no easy way to handle big bundles of files. Remember, the problem Opera is saying it wants to solve is "File Sharing". Sometimes people want to share a lot of files but there appears to be no elegant way of handling that.

Third, I couldn't fix my "wrong service" remotely. I wanted Photo Gallery but selected File Sharing (you can see why I made a mistake, File Sharing is broadly what I wanted to do -- I just wanted to share them in a different format). This is probably good in a lot of ways but all I could think about as I had my three friends looking over my shoulder was "OMG! How do I fix this!?" From a security perspective I see no advantage in not allowing the remote change of how the files you are sharing are formatting.

Fourth, asynchronous sharing. This is a tough one, because the idea is to make your computer a Server. It works as designed. However, that design means portable device users must make their devices available to share. This presents a lot of logistical problems that the user has to solve to use OU when there are *far* simpler asynchronous solutions available (Hi DropBox).

Fifth, as it is explained on OU it attempts direct connection and when it can't, it goes through a proxy. I'm not sure what happened when I attempted to share files on the LAN but the connection was excruciatingly slow and there was no way to troubleshoot it. (Even just seeing that the proxy is not active would have allowed me to figure out what on my end was slowing the LAN link).

Sixth, the last-mile is still an issue for many users. OU might work great when you're on your University LAN or if you happen to have a high-speed upload connection but for the rest of us, are our friends willing to wait? (idea: Opera Testers signs on to OU via a local dial-up connection and shares with their friends, rate experience)

Some of these are easy problems, some though, are symptoms of deeper issues.

The thing to remember about usability is this: It must work for nearly everyone. It doesn't have to work the same way, but if 30% of the users can't make something work, it's a failure. I'd argue, that for wide adoption, you probably need 90%. Think about innovations in the world, even if they are complex, if people find the payoff worth the investment of time then it's "worth it."

Look at cars and their drivers. There are legally stipulated levels of operational ability to use a vehicle but the payoff is you can go most anywhere within certain geographical constraints. (My "It'd be nice" are the cup-holders of the world)

Likewise, email isn't exactly intuitive but the payoff for learning how to use it is cheap, immediate communication with the whole world -- most importantly -- it works well once you gain that basic understanding. Like driving, once you get it you are set forever!

Next up... back to the high level evaluation.

Opera Unite Review - Part 1Opera Unite Review - Part 3

Comments

Eddie_Lopez 23. September 2009, 20:11

That's a good, in depth review. Nice work!

I admit, I haven't spent a great deal of time with Unite just yet, mostly my sharing is done between my wife's computer and mine- so we're on the same LAN.

WillYum 23. September 2009, 20:40

Thanks Eddie. It took me a long time to realize that sometimes just being a good observer is better than being a good analyzer. I could tell people their stuff was broken but had a harder time explaining how.

Even here, some of those are real easy to fix problems, others may look easy but are really merely symptoms of design issues.

Feels like my apartment building's elevator conundrum. I want to say, "We need an elevator buttons that say which floor we want, instead of up and down" but that's my opinion on the problem and solution. That's probably worthy of a post all it's own as it is a daily annoyance (and I have a whole elevator ride to think about it).

Anonymous 24. September 2009, 05:53

Anonymous writes:

Judging from your review, this service sounds an epic failure. I just don't get what Opera is trying to achieve here, since for sharing files there are already numerous - working - services and applications, and the new Opera way seems fatally and fundamentally broken.

For me, the biggest hurdle is that the service is bolted into the Opera browser, and that the service requires yet-another-unnecessary-account-for-a-web-site-I'm-not-interested-in just to share a few files with friends. It might be worth a test if it was a stand-alone app or browser independent, and if it didn't require any registration.

Jurgi 24. September 2009, 07:04

Many of your cases show, that you have just chose wrong solution for your needs. E.g. asynchronous file/pis sharing without external server and with your computer switched off? Damn, it's impossible.
I such cases you should use Dropbox or something similar.

WillYum 24. September 2009, 08:46

Jurgi, first, absolutely. That's my point though. I was going into "blind" -- without any preconceptions about what Opera Unite was or wasn't. Opera doesn't say "For your LIVE file-sharing needs." I'll be covering why it's a big deal in my next part. Yes, Dropbox was obviously a better solution for what I needed.

To Anon, what Opera is trying to achieve (per their statements) is enabling users to turn their computers into fully functional "web platforms" capable of more than just plugging in. I agree with the loathing of Account-Overload, however, I believe there is a "anon" version. Obviously, though, it isn't going to be "browser independent" because Opera is attempting to encourage adoption of their browser.

Which is an excellent point, how does this give Big Red O the edge? There's an old saying "under-promise, over-deliver". Opera Unite is a great idea but if they aren't careful on the marketing they'll be over-promising and under-delivering.

Yum

tomassplatch 24. September 2009, 09:00

I have to agree with some complaints concerning design of some Unite apps: downloading several files at a time, leaving comments on photos. But I guess those are not fundamental flaws and will probably be fixed in further versions of the apps. I hope Unite apps developers are reading this.

Anonymous 24. September 2009, 17:46

moltencheese writes:

I have an idea that getting the desktop Unite services is really just a stepping stone for releasing Unite on mobile phones. Aside from UI issues, alot of the other problems you mention would be fixed on a handheld.

So long as the phone is on there will always be a data connection. Your phon is always with you and always on - no having to run back home to change a setting or losing connectivity during sleep.

Currently huges files are not stored on mobile devices. So sharing pictures or notes from a phone would be reasonably fast as they usually aren't high res or huge documents.

An application like the fridge could be like a facebook wall tied right to someone's device - not their profile (this could compete with sms if rolled out properly).

As a sidenote I'm a developer on a pretty large website. Today I was suprised to see that our 8th most used browser is Opera Mini - the IPhone was at around the 18th place (and our site is compatible on both). I think anything Opera is developing is meant ultimately to be ported to mobile.

Jurgi 24. September 2009, 19:24

I have to agree with some complaints concerning design of some Unite apps: downloading several files at a time, leaving comments on photos.


That is NOT a problem. What's simpler, than write services apps, that have such features?
Asynchronous sharing: well, write engine, that uses ftp or even Dropbox. "Problem" fixed.

I think, that in this review and comments you've confused Unite and it's Apps. For the test yes, you may pretend to be user, who does not distinguish operating system from the applications. But for the review you should distinguish that fictious user from you.

WillYum 25. September 2009, 06:09

tomassplatch -- excellent points and you're right, they are not flaws. However, are they general expectations from Opera's target audience? (I don't know)

moltencheese -- Unite for Mobile?! This is a brilliant idea, I hadn't even considered it and on first glance this seems completely plausible. Though, I'm fairly certain that Opera Desktop and Opera Mini/Mobile have much deeper divisions than Desktop for Mac vs. Desktop for Windows. If they wanted to build a mobile platform, it seems like you'd want to start with the Mobile. It does not seem like an easy port.

Further, if you've used an iPhone or G1 recently you know what that data costs you.... Battery Power. I still routinely completely drain my battery after a day's use with data enabled. Data traffic via Opera's proxy is cheaper (which is probably the single biggest selling point for Opera Mobile) because of the compression but if your friends are downloading uncompressed pics from your phone?

Finally, awesome sidenote. Opera has worked hard to become the mobile provider and they've really innovated (including the business model). Awesome! (though this has the side-effect that some web sites assume Opera is always mobile... :rolleyes: )

WillYum 25. September 2009, 08:02

Originally posted by Jurgi:

Asynchronous sharing: well, write engine, that uses ftp or even Dropbox. "Problem" fixed.

I think, that in this review and comments you've confused Unite and it's Apps. For the test yes, you may pretend to be user, who does not distinguish operating system from the applications. But for the review you should distinguish that fictious user from you.



Very good points.

I counter with this: What is the iPhone without its apps?

Opera Unite may simply be a platform but if iPhone released and the Phone app didn't work reasonably well, it would have flopped. Opera sells Unite (http://unite.opera.com/) with nice words "harnesses the power of today's fast connections and hardware" and "change the way we interact on the Web" but I can't use nice words.

The rest of the pitch, "Opera Unite allows you to easily share your data: photos, music, notes and other files. You can even run chat rooms and host entire Web sites with Opera Unite." -- Okay, I can use that!!! So, to me and to early adopters that is what we see. Unite lets me share data!

Review isn't done, that should be clear but the points raised by blind testing (my preconceived notion is that Opera is great and makes a great browser) should not be so easily discarded.

The point is taken. It's a platform -- but what is everyone's interaction with that platform? Apple released the iPhone with "killer" apps. What's Opera releasing with?

Yum

Purdi 25. September 2009, 14:09

Originally posted by moltencheese writes:

I have an idea that getting the desktop Unite services is really just a stepping stone for releasing Unite on mobile phones.


No it isn't. Desktop is 1/3 of Opera's revenue. Why would one of their biggest sources of revenue be a mere stepping stone? And why wouldn't Unite be as beneficial to computers as to mobile phones?

I think anything Opera is developing is meant ultimately to be ported to mobile.


Nonsense. Turbo started out on phones, and was ported to desktop. Opera is a BROWSER company, not a MOBILE company.

Purdi 25. September 2009, 14:11

Originally posted by WillYum:

There's an old saying "under-promise, over-deliver".


Funny how Apple, Mozilla and Microsoft all over-promise and under-deliver...

Purdi 25. September 2009, 14:13

Originally posted by Anonymous:

I just don't get what Opera is trying to achieve here, since for sharing files there are already numerous - working - services and applications, and the new Opera way seems fatally and fundamentally broken.


Sharing files is just one thing you can do with Unite. And those existing services and applications all require you to let someone else host them, or that both the sender and receiver installs some special client.

For me, the biggest hurdle is that the service is bolted into the Opera browser, and that the service requires yet-another-unnecessary-account-for-a-web-site-I'm-not-interested-in just to share a few files with friends.


1- That it's part of Opera is irrelevant. You can install Opera and only use Unite. Problem solved.

2- You don't need an account. It's optional. And besides, your friends don't need one at all.

WillYum 25. September 2009, 19:13

Purdi, how do you use Unite without an account?

And Apple's iPhone is more awesome than I thought it would be.

moltencheese 25. September 2009, 23:36

Hey Purdi,

I'm a huge Opera fan. I didn't mean to sound like Opera is ignoring their Desktop browser. The tone of my message was more so meant to convey my enthusiasm at the possibilities that Unite would have on mobile. I mean to allude to the fact that Unite will be extremely relevant if / when adopted on mobile.

Huge Opera fan boy here.

WolvenSpectre 26. September 2009, 00:59

I don't mean to sound snarky, but you do realize these apps are just prototype examples to inspire others to make better full fledged apps don't you?

There are a couple of issues you have that are legitimate, like the leaving of the computer on all the time, and the bandwidth issues, but this is true for all direcly served first party solutions (and I mean solutions when I say solutions). Unite is a function to add to your abilities directly, not through a 3rd party like Dropbox, however people have been making unite apps that act as the middle man to these too.

I, IMHO, think you were mostly reviewing the apps usability and not Opera Unite's. Maybe you should say that is what you are reviewing, or try to do the admittedly much harder thing and use the nuts and bolts of Unite by creating an app and reviewing that process.

WillYum 26. September 2009, 01:46

WolvenSpectre, Opera is not selling these apps as prototype examples. Opera is saying these Apps are what makes Opera Unite: http://unite.opera.com "Opera Unite allows you to easily share your data: photos, music, notes and other files. You can even run chat rooms and host entire Web sites with Opera Unite."

Purdi 26. September 2009, 13:05

Originally posted by WillYum:

Opera is saying these Apps are what makes Opera Unite:


Nope. The Unite front page clearly points to the existence of other services, eh, applications, right next to the text you are quoting from, and it clearly talks about how it's an application platform.

If you think Unite is just the bundled services, you are mistaken.

Jurgi 26. September 2009, 13:21

Originally posted by WillYum:

The point is taken. It's a platform -- but what is everyone's interaction with that platform? Apple released the iPhone with "killer" apps. What's Opera releasing with?


Really all this apps were ready before the iPhone was released?

WillYum 4. October 2009, 20:06

Originally posted by Purdi:

Nope. The Unite front page clearly points to the existence of other services, eh, applications, right next to the text you are quoting from, and it clearly talks about how it's an application platform.

If you think Unite is just the bundled services, you are mistaken.



I'm looking for the text you imply but I cannot find it on unite.opera.com or perhaps I misunderstand.

I do not think Unite is bundled services. I think Opera is selling Unite based on the services offered. You're right -- maybe Opera should just offer Unite with no apps for the initial release, then it'll be perfect and work as designed! :wink:

Jurgi,

The primary apps for the iPhone definitely weren't polished for release when it came out. However, in general they worked. You could take a picture, you could search the web, you could automatically find your location, you could dial the phone, you could send email. They are just iPhone apps, not really the iPhone at all.

Jurgi 4. October 2009, 20:57

The primary apps for Opera Unite generally work. However, probably they will be polished already, when OU will officially come out. :smile:

WillYum 5. October 2009, 00:47

In all honesty, Jurgi, I haven't run into any problems with the Opera Apps. They seem to work perfectly as designed. I was just under the impression that the basic framework was set. Sadly, for me, no amount of fiddling with the default apps will fix my slow upload speed.

Purdi 7. October 2009, 11:31

Originally posted by WillYum:

I'm looking for the text you imply but I cannot find it on unite.opera.com or perhaps I misunderstand.


"Find and install services with one click from our online catalog or easily create your own by using Web standards like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, SVG and AJAX."

I think Opera is selling Unite based on the services offered.


And on the potential, and the groundbreaking services that are bound to appear in the future.

WillYum 8. October 2009, 06:07

LOL, sorry, Purdi, if I implied that there wouldn't be other apps. Of course they're are going to be other apps but what counts for a review now is what is available now.

Potential is like flying cars... I'll believe it when I see it.

Purdi 8. October 2009, 10:13

You are changing the subject, though. This is what you wrote:

"Opera is saying these Apps are what makes Opera Unite"

This is obviously not true. Opera Unite is NOT those apps. Those apps are just examples.

WillYum 8. October 2009, 18:54

Purdi, I stand by that statement but it obviously needs some explanation. First, we are discussing usability here. In that context, we are discussing it for the widest possible audience. That means non-technical computer users.

How would you explain Opera Unite to your friend who doesn't know what a web browser is? That friends who thinks AJAX is a cleaning product?

The vast majority of people take the easiest route, which is to explain what it does, not what it is. What does Opera Unite do? Opera's own answer is on http://unite.opera.com -- it gives examples of apps that are available.

What is an elevator button? It's a tactile switch, usually with an indicator of the state (lit or unlit), which sends an electrical signal to a set of switches or computer. That's *what* an elevator button is, but most people would actually not answer that question. They'd hear, "What is an elevator button?" and instead answer the question "What does an elevator button do?" with "It makes the elevator come to you."

I should be more explicit in my language, I suppose. In that view, I should amend my statement to be, "Opera is saying these Apps are what Opera Unite does." At least from the point of view of the non-technical user.

Hope that clarifies things.

Yum

Purdi 13. October 2009, 13:13

How would I explain Unite? Simple, you share data from your own computer instead of giving it to someone else.

Opera's answer to what Unite is, is in that video. It's about "taking control of what you share online", as one of the headlines explain.

You are ignoring everything on that page that doesn't match your fallacious claims, which is a bit silly.

WillYum 13. October 2009, 19:51

Purdi, I'm afraid not.

"Taking control of what you share online" is marketing fluff at it's finest. I've been harping on the sections that explain "what can it do?" because that's exactly what humans do when they encounter the unknown. They immediately try to categorize with something they already know in order to understand it; it's a "grouping" thought process that is extremely efficient and usually right.

The rest of the page is either too technical or fluff.

And so I'm plain: Fluff is stuff that sounds nice but doesn't mean much. In order to truly explain something, you must be specific. The movie is sexy, great vision but it doesn't give enough specifics to let me use Opera Unite (as an end consumer, developers are a whole other category and one I exclude for the purposes of this review).

You have a broad, developer like understanding of Opera Unite, you're not the general audience. Really, the best proof would come from you, without any prompting or prior experience, taking someone to the Opera Unite page and watch them figure it out.

Then ask for their reactions. This is the value of my use cases and I stand by my review.

Yum

WolvenSpectre 30. October 2009, 09:11

I would describe it simply as add on applications that CAN be used to not only recieve, but process and serve information with your computer.

WillYum 30. October 2009, 17:10

Agreed. And glad you posted, caused me to check the latest on the unite.opera.com page. Wow, they've really focused in on specifics and the video drives it home (Besides being totally head-bopping).

My fingers are crossed.

Anonymous 3. November 2009, 03:14

Joel Moya writes:

i have been using opera for the las month, because it handled javascript Pages Fast. Facebook alway freeze my IE 8. Opera is handlin my Facebook Browsing better thant other explorer.

But then i read about this service call Opera united. What a Flop, terrible idea,i have been talking to a lot of people and this has cause a bad reputation for opera.
I am sou Angry with this idea, that my image of the opera company has change for the worse.

ideas like this can make a company fail.

I am a user,
and this opera unite is nosense,fro usuability Aspect.

Pardon my bad englis,
my native language is Spanish.



Purdi 4. November 2009, 18:43

Originally posted by WillYum:

"Taking control of what you share online" is marketing fluff at it's finest.


No, it's the concept.

Then ask for their reactions. This is the value of my use cases and I stand by my review.


There is no value as long as you misrepresent things.

Purdi 4. November 2009, 18:44

Originally posted by Joel Moya:

What a Flop, terrible idea,i have been talking to a lot of people and this has cause a bad reputation for opera.


Why is it a "flop" and a "terrible idea"? How on earth would something like this "cause a bad reputation" exactly?

I am sou Angry with this idea, that my image of the opera company has change for the worse.


What on earth is there to be angry about?

ideas like this can make a company fail.


Why? Stop spreading FUD already.

WillYum 4. November 2009, 20:24

Hi again Purdi .

I accept you disagree with me. Nevertheless, Opera has changed the Opera Unite home page to state, "Opera Unite is a powerful platform that turns your Web browser into a Web Server too. This means you can share content directly with friends without having to upload anything to a Web site. You can stream music, show photo galleries, share files and folders or even host your Web pages. It just takes a few simple clicks to set them up."

Obviously, this has nothing to do with my feedback but it's interesting because it addresses my stated concerns exactly. (and the new video's cool too)

Ironic.

At the very least, it puts that discussion to rest. :smile:

Purdi 5. November 2009, 16:08

Yeah, the alpha was a technology preview, not aimed at end-users. The concept is still the same, but the beta shifted the focus to get more regular people to test it.

This should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about software development!

WillYum 5. November 2009, 19:04

Hm. That's odd, I thought I was an end-user.

Purdi 17. November 2009, 12:45

No, you are a tester.

Anonymous 22. November 2009, 06:47

Anonymous writes:

Hmm. Just stumbled across this post while perusing the "Alltop" bookmark installed with OperaMini. I have no personal interest in any parties of this thread, but this Purdy guy sounds like a douche.

WillYum 22. November 2009, 20:59

To each his own. To the extent he made me clarify and explain myself better I assume he was quite helpful in the general sense.

Yum

kmaage 23. November 2009, 14:52

"...the alpha was a technology preview ...but the beta shifted the focus to get more regular people to test it."

Thanks. That was the main push in my work on Unite going from alpha to beta. I've always had in mind, "This has to work for my mother in law."

We're not there yet, but we're getting closer. The final release is more stable, the proxy backend more reliable, and the applications themselves are a bit more polished, but there are real significant usability issues to overcome for any application trying to do what we are doing with Unite.

BTW, thanks for your honest critique WillYum

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