?? WHY, WHY, WHY ??
Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:15:36 PM
WHY religious extremists were not killed women in abudance ten years ago in Iraq or other Islamic countries? What is the real reason beyond fundamentalism rising in Islamic countries? 20 years ago it was Communism, now it is Islam Uncle Sam is pointing to! WHY?
Read this news please:
By Mona Mahmoud and Mike Lanchin
BBC World Service
The chief of police in the southern Iraqi city of Basra has warned of a campaign of violence against women carried out by religious extremists.
It has, Maj-Gen Abdul Jalil Khalaf said, included threats, intimidation and even murder.
Some victims were dressed in indecent clothes by their killers or had notices attached to them, he said.
Women interviewed by the BBC said they no longer dared venture on to Basra's streets without strict Islamic attire.
"There is a terrible repression against women in Basra," Maj-Gen Khalaf told the BBC.
"They kill women, leave a piece of paper on her or dress her in indecent clothes so as to justify their horrible crimes."
Forty-two women were killed between July and September this year, although the number dropped slightly in October, he said.
In one case, he added, a woman was killed in her home along with her six-year-old son, who was rumoured to have been conceived in an adulterous relationship.
Maj-Gen Khalaf, sent to Basra this year by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki to impose order in the city, said the police were often too scared to conduct proper investigations into the killings.
"The relatives are reluctant to report the crimes for fear of a scandal or because they despair of the police's ability to solve them," he added.
'Shot in the legs'
A female lawyer in Basra contacted by the BBC by phone from London, who asked not to be named for fear of reprisals, said attacks on women in the city were occurring "every two or three days".
She told the BBC about a university student who had been shot in the legs for not wearing an Islamic headscarf, or hijab.
The lawyer also said that graffiti was painted on walls warning women to cover their heads or "be punished".
She said she had been told by a group of men that she should be at home and get married instead of working.
"They said to me: 'If anyone's willing to offer a good price for you, we wouldn't think twice about selling you'," she said.
"When they see a woman going out to work and being successful, I'm sorry, but they feel inferior to her."
'Killed before their kids'
A mother-of-six and government employee in Basra, who wished to be identified only as Um Zeinab, told the BBC she had almost been run down by a motorcyclist one day while waiting for her bus to work.
"I was wearing a shirt with a skirt and some make-up, as I usually do," she said.
"I was waiting at the bus stop when the motorbike headed straight at me, full speed."
Luckily, the motorcyclist skidded and fell before reaching her.
She said she had heard of other women attacked but who had not been as lucky
"Two women were killed in al-Makal district two days ago. People said they had received warnings before and then gunmen came to their homes and killed them, one in front of their kids."
Warring factions
Given the continuing power struggle in Basra between rival Shia militias, it was perhaps understandable that Gen Khalaf would not be drawn into naming names.
He blamed "dangerous criminals" trying to undermine stability in the city.
He also said that repression against women had been going on while British forces were still in the city, prior to their withdrawal to Basra airport in September.
Others were more direct in pointing the finger of blame at the rival Shia militias, known to have infiltrated the police and vying for control of Basra.
Um Zeinab called them "dark, fundamentalist extremists".
A spokesman for one of the largest Shia groups, the Sadrists of the radical cleric Moqtada Sadr, told the BBC that its members did not attack women or try to enforce Islamic law on women by violence.
But he did not rule out that others were doing so.












DavidSchalandra # Monday, January 21, 2008 8:50:39 AM
Humanity has to realize that the more people populate this planet, the more we have to respect our neighbors and their ways of life. We start to become guests in our own town and street. We have to tolerate that people think different and have to try to understand, why something that looks offensive to us, has a completely different meaning to others.
We have to understand and fight our own "black/white" thoughts to prevent us from getting extreme. Because the step from man to monster can be very small...
scott cummingIArtMan # Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:14:58 AM
that's terrible news.
schalandra is right... it's a very small step.
Keilarina~Keilarina~ # Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:00:49 PM
and yes Scoot that's terrible news...
america is fighting patrol, courage ... not for liberate.
regards...
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:47:19 PM
I think, perhaps, the step from man to monster is small, because the monster walks in all of us.
DavidSchalandra # Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:33:35 AM
When an individual is ending a life by violence, it can only be excused by personal self-defense, anything else is murder. You cannot excuse it with any god or any personal philosophy of life. We are not a god, nor are we a constitution or even a government. We do not have the right to impose a penalty.
If you are offended by something, then take it to the court and let the judges decide what to do.
DavidSchalandra # Monday, January 28, 2008 10:45:43 AM
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 5:53:14 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 6:05:40 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 6:15:12 PM
Someone isn't counting right.
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 7:21:38 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 8:51:47 PM
In every life we have some trouble
When you worry you make it double
Matthewnoah counte # Monday, January 28, 2008 9:28:44 PM
DavidSchalandra # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:50:12 AM
DaVinci, I'm not yet sure, if we understand each other right. It doesn't matter to me, which god(s) anybody believes in. It's his/her personal and private right to do so.
Still I think that respecting the laws and traditions of your hosting country, as well as the personal (and again private!) philosophy of your neighbors is act of good behaviour and should go without saying. It's like learning the basic set phrases, when you visit a foreign country, which is an act of politeness.
Your approach of integrating the muslim ideas into a european society reminds me more of proselytism, than of good neighborhood. I'm sorry, if you didn't mean it that way, but that's how it can be understood. Maybe it you meant it as a joke... but I didn't recognize it as funny. So please calm down concerning this matter.
I am of the opinion that respecting each others individual freedom, means to allow him to chose his/her own way to a peaceful living, enlightenment and a step towards transcendency.
It's just "live and let live" or if we stick to Mr. McFerrin:
cause when you worry, your face will frown
and that will bring everybody down
so don't worry, be happy...
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:55:46 PM
I believe God gave us free will - and that means the ability to choose how we conceive of God, and how we choose to manifest God in our selves. Treat each other well, and treat the universe around us well, and I imagine God is pretty happy.
Treating each other well effectively rules out blowing people up in God's name - which is why I believe God dosn't like darical fundamentalists.
sofane # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:40:19 PM
jus want to post my point of view, yes i am a muslim persone and i am not agree with what happend in such islamic contries especialy how they treat womens in the same time men can do what ever they wan!!!,
but just have to know that they dont understand the real sence of this relegion because they never try to use their brain or think about the real reasons and but of this relegion they try only to appley the extrem
but i think that extem peoples existe in all relegious not only islam!!
please cheke this website if you want to know more about real islam
http://www.harunyahya.com/
and *
www.turntoislam.com
Good Luck!!
SOfiane
DavidSchalandra # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:44:18 PM
I must admit I know far more extreme environmental activists, or radical Christians than I do know extreme Muslims, so I totally agree with you.
It was never my intention to exclude any religion, but I think I already stated that several times. I would very welcome an open minded dialogue with people of different religions, as I want to understand their point of view. I think, the more I know about their ideas, the more I can balance my own view.
I read the Bible, even though I'm not baptized. I also read parts of Buddha's Teaching and understand some basic ideas of Shinto. In the near future I think I'll have a closer look at the Qur'an, as a modern human should know about the great world religions... in my humble opinion. Sadly I have no idea where to start to learn about Hinduism, but time will tell, I'm sure.
Most religious people would call me a heathen (I call myself an "atheist") and I already met people who treated me with disgust. A teacher even kicked me out of his class because of it (when I was a schoolboy). But I don't mind. If there is a God, I have justify my live and behaviour myself. Nobody else can do for me. I have to justify my mistakes as well as my achieved goals. And if there is no god... I should try and find enlightenment in my short lifetime.
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:50:54 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:23:38 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:52:56 PM
DavidSchalandra # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:01:37 PM
Matthewnoah counte # Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:12:12 PM
E DEivindd # Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:23:00 PM
sofane # Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:33:47 PM
EVERY ONE DO WHAT HE BELEIVE AND WHATHE THINK IS GOOD FOR HIM
GOOD LUCK IN LIFE
Matthewnoah counte # Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:40:33 PM
E DEivindd # Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:52:29 PM
So let us support those that do not want to wear a scarf or a manto
Matthewnoah counte # Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:57:57 PM
BeausireDOCALBE # Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:03:56 PM