Rename bookmark entry with just right click and move by drag

Rename bookmark entry with just right click and move by drag

There should be option of moving bookmark entry by dragging in the drop down list and also rename by right click. Even IE has it, why not opera ? I wrote about it long before but still can't find it in opera9 ??

Speak out dear opera community? Don't you think this is something helpful?

persionally -1, as I only use the bookmarks-panel and never the menu and I think that the opera devs should work on other stuff (as M2)

yes, -1 , cant be asked to fiddle about with dropdown menus(losing focus, whole lot collapses if you jiggle the mouse, etc... ), the bookmark panel is far more reliable, and it stays where it was!!! you can even go away, look at few sites, go printout a doc, get back to opera, and yes, get straight back to your bookmark organisation, where you left off...

panels occupy extra space. Even you open the bookmark management as panels, you have to right click,properties and then change name?? No rename? This is not convenient.

no they dont - you get to use a big comfortable space to manage your bookmarks, and then just 'put away' the panel - no space wasted!!

+1

+1

Agreed that there is the Bookmarks Manager, but right clicking would be a lot faster.

Drag and drop could be useful too, maybe properties and other commands on right click menu too.

I really don't know whats wrong adding simple manuaver by right click and drag-drop etc. These basic stuffs should be there as like other browsers such IE. If anyone don't like it, will not use it and will go to panel everytime!

One thing that I want to ask about those who don't want the right-click feature on the Bookmarks drop-down menu:

If you use the Bookmarks Panel so much, why bother having the drop-down menu at all? Just go to the Panel to open up your bookmarks.

I think some of you will reply that, yes, you wouldn't miss the drop-down menu at all. But what about the those who say they will miss it? What's their reasoning? The more I think about it, the curiouser I am as to the reasons (not trying to be critical, just plain wondering).

+1

But it seems difficult to implement. Can't find the topic with background info on that, but it has been mentioned.

But I would like it enormously.

+1

+1

++1 It would be better if there is option to Copy url, Delete, Rename when right clicking.

I will feel sorry to see opera9 released without such very basic stuffs that IE had for long time.

+1

Originally posted by operafan2006:

panels occupy extra space. Even you open the bookmark management as panels, you have to right click,properties and then change name?? No rename? This is not convenient.

Since there are three different ways of opening and closing the panels on a whim, the amount of space they take up doesn't matter. If they are in the way, a quick tap of the F4 key, or a quick click of the mouse, or a word spoken into your microphone (oh yes, we'd forgotten about voice control, hadn't we) and they dissapear...

Personally, I think this is something Opera Software needs to do. I just don't think it's a big deal. There's already so many other ways of doing it that it probably shouldn't be a priority.

Originally posted by operafan2006:

...Even IE has it, why not opera...

I have always been a firm believer that just because Internet Explorer does something, that Opera doesn't need to do it as well. If Opera did everything that Internet Explorer did, then would it still be Opera? I use Opera because I perfer the way Opera does things. I've seen a lot of compromises made to users of other browsers over the years. My browser doesn't even look like the same piece of software I started using those many years ago. While many changed were good, not all of them have been (I hate the default toolbar setup, but the ability to customize Opera's toolbars alows me to set them any way I want).

I like to draw a line between things that make browsing easier, and things that are nifty. Now when I look at the bookmarks menu, I just see wasted screen space. It doesn't really make getting to your bookmarks any easier. All it does is give people who aren't used to the panels a way to get at their bookmarks. While this is great for new users, it really can't be as advanced as the panel, so the panel is the perfered way to manage bookmarks.

Now, if Opera Software were to accommodate the requests to re-do the bookmarks menu to allow even a right-click context menu on it, there would be some drawbacks. Since the devs would have to create their own menu handling system for the browser, the amount of memory that Opera uses would increase. This would also cause Opera to start up slower. Opera Software will not implement any new features that cause a decrease in performance or startup speed, so unless they can make a menu system that's efficient enough so that it doesn't cause these problems, then they probably won't do it.

In case you are wondering why Opera Software would need to develop their own menu system to implement this feature, consider this. The reason why there is already a right-click context menu available for the bookmarks menu in the Linux version of Opera, and not in the Windows version, is because the menu system that Opera relies on in Windows doesn't allow right-click context menus in menus.

BTW: I love to post this screenshot when this topic comes up...

Originally posted by GT500:

BTW: I love to post this screenshot when this topic comes up...

You are cool!

Originally posted by operafan2006:

You are cool!

Is that because I use Linux? Or because I have transparent menus?

may be both:)

Just curious GT500, what made the bookmark behavior different in windows and Linux? I mean where is difference started from while opera developed it?

Originally posted by operafan2006:

Just curious GT500, what made the bookmark behavior different in windows and Linux? I mean where is difference started from while opera developed it?

I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed by an Opera Software employee, but "the word on the street" is that since the Linux version uses Qt to draw it's menus, and Qt allows right click context menus inside of menus, this is why it's different in Linux. Supposedly whatever API they use to handle the menus in Windows does not support this feature.

That is why I keep talking about Opera Software needing to develop their own menu system. Opera isn't drawing it's own menus right now. That's all being handled by third-party interfaces, and since the interface is different on Windows and Linux, there's a difference in what the versions for the two operating systems can do...

Thanks.

hey wow... another good reason to get linux!!

+1

Originally posted by GT500:

I like to draw a line between things that make browsing easier, and things that are nifty. Now when I look at the bookmarks menu, I just see wasted screen space. It doesn't really make getting to your bookmarks any easier.

Yes it does. Easier = Fewer steps and Less time
F4 = extra step.
There's a slight delay in opening panel.
Once the panel is open, I have to scroll to find the right bookmark. With the Personal Bar, I have 15 important folders in easy reach. The rest are hidden.
With the panel, I have to close folders after I have opened them.

All it does is give people who aren't used to the panels a way to get at their bookmarks. While this is great for new users, it really can't be as advanced as the panel, so the panel is the perfered way to manage bookmarks.

It can be as advanced as the panel. It just isn't.

Now, if Opera Software were to accommodate the requests to re-do the bookmarks menu to allow even a right-click context menu on it, there would be some drawbacks. Since the devs would have to create their own menu handling system for the browser, the amount of memory that Opera uses would increase. This would also cause Opera to start up slower. Opera Software will not implement any new features that cause a decrease in performance or startup speed, so unless they can make a menu system that's efficient enough so that it doesn't cause these problems, then they probably won't do it.

Would it help the memory problem to eliminate the "useless" features, like panels?

+1

Originally posted by samkim:

+1

Originally posted by GT500:

I like to draw a line between things that make browsing easier, and things that are nifty. Now when I look at the bookmarks menu, I just see wasted screen space. It doesn't really make getting to your bookmarks any easier.

Yes it does. Easier = Fewer steps and Less time
F4 = extra step.
There's a slight delay in opening panel.
Once the panel is open, I have to scroll to find the right bookmark. With the Personal Bar, I have 15 important folders in easy reach. The rest are hidden.
With the panel, I have to close folders after I have opened them.

All it does is give people who aren't used to the panels a way to get at their bookmarks. While this is great for new users, it really can't be as advanced as the panel, so the panel is the perfered way to manage bookmarks.

It can be as advanced as the panel. It just isn't.

Now, if Opera Software were to accommodate the requests to re-do the bookmarks menu to allow even a right-click context menu on it, there would be some drawbacks. Since the devs would have to create their own menu handling system for the browser, the amount of memory that Opera uses would increase. This would also cause Opera to start up slower. Opera Software will not implement any new features that cause a decrease in performance or startup speed, so unless they can make a menu system that's efficient enough so that it doesn't cause these problems, then they probably won't do it.

Would it help the memory problem to eliminate the "useless" features, like panels?

As a thread starter, let me make clear that this thread is not directly about panel vs anything else. It is simply about adding a choice to manage bookmarks . Many users like it, many are used to it(since IE had for long) and I guess new users will find familiarity with it. So, I simply like to have this as an added feature.

Originally posted by samkim:

Yes it does. Easier = Fewer steps and Less time
F4 = extra step.
There's a slight delay in opening panel.
Once the panel is open, I have to scroll to find the right bookmark. With the Personal Bar, I have 15 important folders in easy reach. The rest are hidden.
With the panel, I have to close folders after I have opened them.

No delay in opening the panel here. It's as close to instant as you need for the human eye to not know the difference.

Can moving your mouse pointer up to the bookmarks menu really be faster than tapping F4? If you can't stand the keyboard, then you can also drag a button onto your toolbar, like I mentioned somewhere else.

Originally posted by samkim:

It can be as advanced as the panel. It just isn't.

Really, would you like to write the code for that? I sure wouldn't. It would probably take me over a year to set it up so that it works right...

Originally posted by samkim:

Would it help the memory problem to eliminate the "useless" features, like panels?

No, the panel probably doesn't take up as much memory as a cross-platform implementation of an advanced menu system. I could be wrong about that, as I've never actually tried it myself. But then again, if they eliminate the panel, where would they put mail, and all of the other nifty things in the panels? It's just not possible to remove the panel. Besides, all of us older users who like the panel would be very unhappy if they did...

Originally posted by operafan2006:

As a thread starter, let me make clear that this thread is not directly about panel vs anything else. It is simply about adding a choice to manage bookmarks . Many users like it, many are used to it(since IE had for long) and I guess new users will find familiarity with it. So, I simply like to have this as an added feature.

True. Discussion of the panel is somewhat of a hijack. But we're trying to tie it into the topic at hand...

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by samkim:

Yes it does. Easier = Fewer steps and Less time
F4 = extra step.
There's a slight delay in opening panel.
Once the panel is open, I have to scroll to find the right bookmark. With the Personal Bar, I have 15 important folders in easy reach. The rest are hidden.
With the panel, I have to close folders after I have opened them.

No delay in opening the panel here. It's as close to instant as you need for the human eye to not know the difference.

Can moving your mouse pointer up to the bookmarks menu really be faster than tapping F4? If you can't stand the keyboard, then you can also drag a button onto your toolbar, like I mentioned somewhere else.

I think the panel discussion is pertinent. I'm responding because if you don't appreciate the problem and need, then it's possible that the developers don't either.

When I hit F4, there's about a one second delay before the panel opens up. Same with clicking on the panels button in my toolbar. I tested it, and found that the delay is related to the number of tabs I have open. When I had only one tab, there was virtually no delay. I keep tabs on the left side, and I typically have 20 to 40 tabs open at once. (With more powerful session management tools, I'd be able to reduce that.)

And when you compare what's easier, you have to understand that when you see a problem with a bookmark, you don't have to move your mouse up to the bookmark menu because you're already in there and the cursor is already over the problem bookmark. You have to exit the bookmark menu and then go into the panels.

It's like if you see your socks in your underwear drawer, you'd like to pick it up right then and put it in the proper drawer. But you can't do that. You need to close your drawer and get out your clothes sorting tool before you can rearrange anything. Since you never use your clothes sorting tool for any other purpose, it's too much bother to take out, and your clothes stay forever disorganized - even though you used to be a super-organized neat-freak with your old furniture.

Originally posted by samkim:

It can be as advanced as the panel. It just isn't.

Really, would you like to write the code for that? I sure wouldn't. It would probably take me over a year to set it up so that it works right...

I doubt that, since every other browser (or at least every browser I've tried) allows you to right-click on the bookmark menu and drag items freely. Opera stands alone.

Originally posted by samkim:

Would it help the memory problem to eliminate the "useless" features, like panels?

No, the panel probably doesn't take up as much memory as a cross-platform implementation of an advanced menu system. I could be wrong about that, as I've never actually tried it myself. But then again, if they eliminate the panel, where would they put mail, and all of the other nifty things in the panels? It's just not possible to remove the panel. Besides, all of us older users who like the panel would be very unhappy if they did...

You can access history, links, and notes without opening a panel - though I suspect the panel UI itself isn't the thing taking up lots of memory.

Originally posted by samkim:

I doubt that, since every other browser (or at least every browser I've tried) allows you to right-click on the bookmark menu and drag items freely. Opera stands alone.

Well, Konqueror doesn't. It has about the same bookmarks menu functionality as the Linux version of Opera does (with the exception of a delete option). I also don't see any editing functionality as advanced as Opera's bookmarks panel in Firefox. There's no drag-and-drop. Just more right-click options, which anyone can add in a menu setup for Opera 9 for Linux...

Then there's Mozilla's Sea Monkey and Gnome's Mozilla-based Epiphany, neither of which even allow right-clicking on bookmarks (just like Opera for Windows). So, that makes IE and Firefox the only ones that actually have any right-click editing of bookmarks at all (I'm not counting Netscape 8, as it's just Firefox with a Netscape styled theme, and the ability to use the IE rendering engine).

Of course, I haven't tested Safari, as I have no access to a Mac (I despise the blasted things anyway, so I probably wouldn't be able to touch one long enough to see if it worked in Safari). There's also Galeon, K-Melon, Camino (another Mac only browser), iCab (once again, Mac only), and a few others that I haven't tested...

But, since you think it's so easy to design such a system, I have an idea. If you come up with a code base for the menu system, then we can present it to the Desktop Team, and see what they think of it.

Originally posted by samkim:

When I hit F4, there's about a one second delay before the panel opens up. Same with clicking on the panels button in my toolbar. I tested it, and found that the delay is related to the number of tabs I have open. When I had only one tab, there was virtually no delay. I keep tabs on the left side, and I typically have 20 to 40 tabs open at once. (With more powerful session management tools, I'd be able to reduce that.)

I don't normally keep many tabs open, but with 31 tabs open (including Yahoo! Mail Beta, a page that has a large Flash video, some pages with a lot of images and scripting on them) I'm not seeing any real delay in the panel opening. Quite frankly, the bookmarks menu takes about as long to open as the panel does. Of course, all of my computers have at least 1GB of RAM (this laptop has 2GB), and are the equivelent of a 3GHz Pentium 4 (and one much faster), so it might not be a fair comparison.

Originally posted by samkim:

it's possible that the developers don't either.

Well, since it's not the developers who decide what does and does not go into the browser, then it probably doesn't matter if they know of not. That being said, they probably do know. While it seems very unlikely to the people who frequent this forum, Opera Software does listen to it's users. Originally the fraud protection in the latest version was going to be powered by GeoTrust exclusively. When Opera 9.10 weekly builds were being tested, some of the users suggested that Opera also use PhishTank for their database. A few weeks later the Desktop Team added PhishTank as a blacklist source...

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by samkim:

I doubt that, since every other browser (or at least every browser I've tried) allows you to right-click on the bookmark menu and drag items freely. Opera stands alone.

Well, Konqueror doesn't. It has about the same bookmarks menu functionality as the Linux version of Opera does (with the exception of a delete option). I also don't see any editing functionality as advanced as Opera's bookmarks panel in Firefox. There's no drag-and-drop. Just more right-click options, which anyone can add in a menu setup for Opera 9 for Linux...

Then there's Mozilla's Sea Monkey and Gnome's Mozilla-based Epiphany, neither of which even allow right-clicking on bookmarks (just like Opera for Windows). So, that makes IE and Firefox the only ones that actually have any right-click editing of bookmarks at all (I'm not counting Netscape 8, as it's just Firefox with a Netscape styled theme, and the ability to use the IE rendering engine).

Of course, I haven't tested Safari, as I have no access to a Mac (I despise the blasted things anyway, so I probably wouldn't be able to touch one long enough to see if it worked in Safari). There's also Galeon, K-Melon, Camino (another Mac only browser), iCab (once again, Mac only), and a few others that I haven't tested...

I only use Windows.

You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Firefox.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Sea Monkey.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in IE.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Netscape.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Maxthon.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Avant Browser.

But, since you think it's so easy to design such a system, I have an idea. If you come up with a code base for the menu system, then we can present it to the Desktop Team, and see what they think of it.

I don't get paid to code for Opera. I was just disputing your objection that developing editable bookmarks was extremely difficult by pointing out that virtually every other Windows browser has it.

Originally posted by samkim:

When I hit F4, there's about a one second delay before the panel opens up. Same with clicking on the panels button in my toolbar. I tested it, and found that the delay is related to the number of tabs I have open. When I had only one tab, there was virtually no delay. I keep tabs on the left side, and I typically have 20 to 40 tabs open at once. (With more powerful session management tools, I'd be able to reduce that.)

I don't normally keep many tabs open, but with 31 tabs open (including Yahoo! Mail Beta, a page that has a large Flash video, some pages with a lot of images and scripting on them) I'm not seeing any real delay in the panel opening. Quite frankly, the bookmarks menu takes about as long to open as the panel does. Of course, all of my computers have at least 1GB of RAM (this laptop has 2GB), and are the equivelent of a 3GHz Pentium 4 (and one much faster), so it might not be a fair comparison.

You seem to be arguing that if you can't see it, the problem doesn't exist. I have nothing more to say about that.

Originally posted by samkim:

it's possible that the developers don't either.

Well, since it's not the developers who decide what does and does not go into the browser, then it probably doesn't matter if they know of not.

You're quibbling over the definition of a developer.

Originally posted by samkim:

I only use Windows.

I'm sorry...

Originally posted by samkim:

You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Firefox.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Sea Monkey.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in IE.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Netscape.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Maxthon.
You can right-click and drag-and-drop bookmarks in Avant Browser.

But apparently this feature is not cross-platform. I don't think Opera Software would implement it that way.

Originally posted by samkim:

I don't get paid to code for Opera. I was just disputing your objection that developing editable bookmarks was extremely difficult by pointing out that virtually every other Windows browser has it.

No, you don't work for Opera Software. But I figured that since you find the development of a cross-platform menu system with all of these advanced editing features so easy, that you could draw us up a working model, so that we could see it in action. I believe that it'd take me a very long time to implement it, so if you can do it so easily, then why not? That would be the ultimate "I told you so", now wouldn't it?

Originally posted by samkim:

You seem to be arguing that if you can't see it, the problem doesn't exist. I have nothing more to say about that.

Actually I was arguing that one several computers, across several platforms, that I could not re-produce the problem. This is usually an indication of other problems. Probably other software that is eating up system resources, such as spyware or bloatware (bloatware being things like AOL, Norton, McAfee, etc).

Originally posted by samkim:

You're quibbling over the definition of a developer.

If the deffinition of a term or phrase is in dispute, I give a link to a dictionary or Wikipedia article on the term. In this case what's in dispute is who at Opera Software actually has control over what features to implement, and what features are to be considered bloat (or unneeded). In corporate environments the developers have little say (if they have any at all) as to what does in to the software. That's typically left to managers and marketing.

Granted it seems a little more lax at Opera Software. I'm sure the developers are allowed to make suggestions. But those suggestions probably still have to be approved by their managers.

So, in actuality, it probably doesn't mattaer if the developers are aware of the desire of a few of our user base to have a new bookmark menu, because they don't get to decide if it gets implemented...

Originally posted by GT500:

No, you don't work for Opera Software. But I figured that since you find the development of a cross-platform menu system with all of these advanced editing features so easy, that you could draw us up a working model, so that we could see it in action. I believe that it'd take me a very long time to implement it, so if you can do it so easily, then why not? That would be the ultimate "I told you so", now wouldn't it?

I never said that it was so easy. I never said anything close to that. As for "I told you so," I'm not trying to prove you wrong. It just keeps happening.

Here's your claim which I question:

In case you are wondering why Opera Software would need to develop their own menu system to implement this feature, consider this. The reason why there is already a right-click context menu available for the bookmarks menu in the Linux version of Opera, and not in the Windows version, is because the menu system that Opera relies on in Windows doesn't allow right-click context menus in menus.

Originally posted by samkim:

You seem to be arguing that if you can't see it, the problem doesn't exist. I have nothing more to say about that.

Actually I was arguing that one several computers, across several platforms, that I could not re-produce the problem. This is usually an indication of other problems. Probably other software that is eating up system resources, such as spyware or bloatware (bloatware being things like AOL, Norton, McAfee, etc).

You're just rationalizing your bizarre behavior. As I said, the delay is related to the number of tabs open.

Originally posted by samkim:

You're quibbling over the definition of a developer.

If the deffinition of a term or phrase is in dispute, I give a link to a dictionary or Wikipedia article on the term. In this case what's in dispute is who at Opera Software actually has control over what features to implement, and what features are to be considered bloat (or unneeded).

No. By "developers," I was referring collectively to the people at Opera involved in the development of the software, including supervisors, project managers, marketing people, etc. Not just the coders. Opera is a software developer. Microsoft is a software developer.

But this quibbling is irrelevant to the thread.

I'm sorry...

Apology accepted.

Originally posted by samkim:

You're just rationalizing your bizarre behavior. As I said, the delay is related to the number of tabs open.

I was really just trying to explain to you that when one person sees a problem, and another cannot verify it on a multitude (multitude being 3, in this case) of computers and platforms, that it usually means there is another problem causing it. As a certified computer tech, I know this is often the case (though not always).

It was merely an attempt to offer an explanation, and maybe a means of fixing, the problem.

Of course, the cause of the problem may not even be software related. It could be that you need a little more RAM, or something like that. For instance, when you are running Windows XP, and have 256MB (or less) of RAM, there isn't enough memory for Windows to actually run in. Since Windows XP uses 290MB of RAM when it's running, it has to load itself into the pagefile (aka swap file), which makes everything run slowly. If you have at least 384MB of RAM for Windows XP to use, then you don't have that problem. Of course this is only an example of one condition that could be causing your problem with the panel, but I expect you to get all cantankerous about it anyway...

Originally posted by samkim:

No. By "developers," I was referring collectively to the people at Opera involved in the development of the software, including supervisors, project managers, marketing people, etc. Not just the coders. Opera is a software developer. Microsoft is a software developer.

Now we're quibbling over the definition of a developer. Of course, since the technical definition of a developer is along the lines of a person who writes software, then it makes it rather difficult to know what you're talking about when you pin your own meaning to it.

Originally posted by samkim:

But this quibbling is irrelevant to the thread.

Quite true. Unfortunately for this thread, I enjoy a good quibble, so on with the quibbling!

+1

Definately

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by samkim:

You're just rationalizing your bizarre behavior. As I said, the delay is related to the number of tabs open.

I was really just trying to explain to you that when one person sees a problem, and another cannot verify it on a multitude (multitude being 3, in this case) of computers and platforms, that it usually means there is another problem causing it. As a certified computer tech, I know this is often the case (though not always).

It would be relevant to attempt to reproduce the problem on the SAME platform with a similar configuration. As a certified computer tech, you shouldn't expect a Linux system to behave the same as a Windows system.

It was merely an attempt to offer an explanation, and maybe a means of fixing, the problem.

Thanks, but perhaps you should focus your tech support skills on a tech support forum. That's where you'll find people who need and want your help.

Of course, the cause of the problem may not even be software related. It could be that you need a little more RAM, or something like that. For instance, when you are running Windows XP, and have 256MB (or less) of RAM, there isn't enough memory for Windows to actually run in. Since Windows XP uses 290MB of RAM when it's running, it has to load itself into the pagefile (aka swap file), which makes everything run slowly. If you have at least 384MB of RAM for Windows XP to use, then you don't have that problem. Of course this is only an example of one condition that could be causing your problem with the panel, but I expect you to get all cantankerous about it anyway...

I have 1 GB RAM.

+1 for right-click renaming of bookmarks.
-1 for drag-drop ordering of bookmarks.

Originally posted by chambergates.com:

-1 for drag-drop ordering of bookmarks.

why is that?

Originally posted by samkim:

It would be relevant to attempt to reproduce the problem on the SAME platform with a similar configuration. As a certified computer tech, you shouldn't expect a Linux system to behave the same as a Windows system.

The first platform I tried it on was Windows XP Service Pack 2 with 1GB of RAM. Of course I didn't try it with a couple of dozen Windows open...

Originally posted by samkim:

Thanks, but perhaps you should focus your tech support skills on a tech support forum. That's where you'll find people who need and want your help.

Perhaps. But I've found that most people using Windows require tech support. Besides, I'm not certified tech support, I'm more hands-on repair. Tech support usually doesn't do anything more than read off a checklist...

Originally posted by samkim:

I have 1 GB RAM.

Then RAM isn't your problem. Perhaps something else. I can't tell you why unless I'm sitting at your computer, or I have logs of all of your running processes.

On topic please...!

I hate having to use panels just to rename a bookmark. That's the only reason I have to use the panel, otherwise I NEVER open it. Why should I use a different UI element (panel) to do something I could do in the UI element I always use (menu).

It is in all other browser, I don't see why Opera could not do it if others did. Yes, it IS complicated to do in a multi-platform environment, but Firefox did it, so it IS possible.

A big +1.

Originally posted by Luchio:

I hate having to use panels just to rename a bookmark. That's the only reason I have to use the panel, otherwise I NEVER open it. Why should I use a different UI element (panel) to do something I could do in the UI element I always use (menu).

I use browser menu too!

+1 for rename and drag'n'drop bookmarks and support for opening bookmarks in background page from Browser Menu Bar please...

Originally posted by Luchio:

...It is in all other browser...

That is not true. It is in most popular browsers. But then again, I've already been over this, and in this same topic as well...

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by Luchio:

...It is in all other browser...

That is not true. It is in most popular browsers. But then again, I've already been over this, and in this same topic as well...

Yes, your nice descriptive post is in this same thread just a few posts above! I learnt from you that linux version of opera already has it. Only windows version users may be unlucky until now.

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by Luchio:

...It is in all other browser...

That is not true. It is in most popular browsers. But then again, I've already been over this, and in this same topic as well...

Of course, I wasn't talking about Lynx, but major browser...

+1
But I'm not greedy—I'd settle for Rename in the bookmarks panel right-click menu

Originally posted by Luchio:

Of course, I wasn't talking about Lynx, but major browser...

There are a few others that don't allow it. K-Meleon does not, Galeon does not, Sea Monkey for Linux does not (works in the Windows version though), I would believe that Epiphany does not, and Konqueror doesn't let you do anything more than delete the bookmarks.

Originally posted by GT500:

There are a few others that don't allow it.

Yes, but Opera is the special, easy customisable browser, which should have this function.

Why is anyone even debating what other browsers are doing? Is it in any way relevant what browser X with 0.0000000000001% of the market share is doing with its bookmarks? Is that Opera's direct competition, or Firefox and IE?

Originally posted by medium:

Yes, but Opera is the special, easy customisable browser, which should have this function.

Maybe. It isn't a feature that everyone would use though. Not even every user of the browsers that have that feature uses it (even less in IE than Firefox).

Of course, no one ever said that every customization in Opera was easy. Just that most of the are. I wonder if a custom menu.ini could be made that allowed some basic bookmark editing...

Originally posted by GT500:

It isn't a feature that everyone would use though. Not even every user of the browsers that have that feature uses it (even less in IE than Firefox).

Oh yes! But most of us, users Opera & Opera Forum maybe? It's saving the time!

Of course, no one ever said that every customization in Opera was easy.

I'd should be said "very customisable", not "easy..."...

I wonder if a custom menu.ini could be made that allowed some basic bookmark editing...

More of customisations in Opera basics on drag'n'drop. Why bookmarks from menu are not dragable?
I always search and open bookmarks from menu, not from panel. Only sometimes must to use bookmarks manager (in full tab, no panel).
I Would like to have support to open bookmarks in background, of course from menu

Take a look for my bookmarks to better understand me:
multi-storey_bookmarks.png

P.S. Sorry for my english...