Google Docs (writely & spreadshet)

Google Docs (writely & spreadshet)

A new Google service is launched... a new unfriendly google service for Opera.

Google has joined his services Writely and Spreadsheet with the "Google look&feel" in one product: http://docs.google.com/ Same features, including the bad Opera support. The old separated services redirects to google docs now; if you had accounts in there, you can import the documents into one of the accounts (choose one).

http://docs.google.com/ redirects to http://docs.google.com/?action=unsupported_browser but you go to http://docs.google.com/?browserok=true for solve the problem (same that writely).

And the big point is... what happend with the marvelous user scripts that with them, I can use writely and spreadsheet? to the trash... Just kidding; this userscripts don't work but the coders may join them for Google Docs (I wish...)

and Opera doesn't seem to try to support google. Well, at least Google has a large market share.

Originally posted by Vitis:

Opera doesn't seem to try to support google

No. Google doesn`t seem to try to support Opera.

I think that previous look of Writely was 100x better than current Google look&feel :/

Originally posted by seifip:

I think that previous look of Writely was 100x better than current Google look&feel :/

me too... Old writely was more friendly.

Originally posted by Vitis:

and Opera doesn't seem to try to support google. Well, at least Google has a large market share.

Mostly Google's services work on Opera, or work with a userscript; but google don't support opera... it's crazy... (ej: writely works with an 20 lines user-javascript)

Originally posted by bernardtse:

Once again, the major problem with Opera is right click, they have their own right click menus and Opera keeps on poping up its own context menu instead. This is a big event handling issue in Opera. Web developers hate that I am sure, though a good web app should not rely on a context menu in order to work.

Perhaps this is a reason why they block Opera?

Originally posted by Hildanknight:

Perhaps this is a reason why they block Opera?

I doubt.

http://groups.google.com/group/GoogleDocsSpreadsheets

Let's all post to the Google Docs & Spreadsheets Help Group, requesting Google support Opera.

If 5-10 of us manage to flood the group with requests for Opera support, Google will not afford to ignore us.

We should threathen to take our business elsewhere; to any competitor which is Opera-friendly.

5-10 ???.. to little. Google wouldn't move for 100 users.

You may use this script meanwhile to bipass this bias.
fix-writely.js

BTW can anyone make a fix for that top menu?

New version. Supports more Google services: fixes a few issues with docs, warns the user to mask as IE for spreadsheets (sniffing is server side now), adds some css to spreadsheets, and changes direction for wheel scrooling. It too overrides the sniffing at picassa, and therefore slideshows work well.
fix-google-services.js

What do you think about flooding the Google Docs & Spreadsheets group with requests for Opera support?

xErath: Thanks! That's much better.

Hildanknight: Yeah, best way how totaly piss someone off and discourage him to even try

Originally posted by xErath:

fix-google-services.js

Wow...

http://groups.google.pl/group/Something-in-Writely-is-Broken/browse_thread/thread/486e893ace31f013 - try to convince Google to fix this.

You might want to update your scripts.
It fixes inserting page breaks in docs, and fixes some issues with spreadsheets.
fix-google-services.js

Originally posted by xErath:

It fixes inserting page breaks in docs, and fixes some issues with spreadsheets.fix-google-services.js

Thank for maintaing the script. I've found a small glitch with Calendar in Polish version. The script doesn't kill warning message because of:

msg.indexOf("you are trying to use Google Calendar with a browser that isn't currently supported.")<0)

Originally posted by Trof:

Hildanknight: Yeah, best way how totaly piss someone off and discourage him to even try

problebs like with google,yahoo,nbc etc should be taken some initiative from opera official level, in my opinion. If they(those sites) don't have time to test in opera, at least they should not block anything.

And what do you think Opera's Open the Web team is all about?
It's pretty well known by now that Opera has been in contact with at least two out of the three companies you have mentioned...

Originally posted by YtseJam:

And what do you think Opera's Open the Web team is all about?
It's pretty well known by now that Opera has been in contact with at least two out of the three companies you have mentioned...

Thats good for opera.

Originally posted by YtseJam:

And what do you think Opera's Open the Web team is all about?
It's pretty well known by now that Opera has been in contact with at least two out of the three companies you have mentioned...

Then why does Google still block Opera?

Originally posted by adas:

http://groups.google.pl/group/Something-in-Writely-is-Broken/browse_thread/thread/486e893ace31f013 - try to convince Google to fix this.

I've posted in several threads.

Originally posted by Hildanknight:

Then why does Google still block Opera?

Maybe because they've made a choice to not release something that does not work perfectly in some browser. We know that Writely works with some workarounds, and these are not that reliable, because they are still changing their code. So, until it is perfectly tested and working in Opera, they most likely will block Opera, to avoid users complaining to Google "Feature X does not work for me, I use Opera!"
We should be sure that Google is not blocking Opera deliberately. I don't believe it is really.

Originally posted by quiris:

Thank for maintaing the script. I've found a small glitch with Calendar in Polish version. The script doesn't kill warning message because of:

I have to dig within the stack trace then.


edit: new version up Get it
fix-google-services.js

http://groups.google.com/group/Suggestions-and-Ideas-Writely/browse_thread/thread/6d9fc0e4ddafc577
http://groups.google.com/group/Something-in-Writely-is-Broken/browse_thread/thread/2c4d751ae11e5f52
http://groups.google.com/group/Suggestions-and-Ideas-Writely/browse_thread/thread/fa5ef3dd416e0fcc
http://groups.google.com/group/getting_started/browse_thread/thread/4069c84fb20547ac
http://groups.google.com/group/getting_started/browse_thread/thread/895810b5fb66fe26
http://groups.google.com/group/Something-in-Writely-is-Broken/browse_thread/thread/486e893ace31f013
http://groups.google.com/group/Something-in-Writely-is-Broken/browse_thread/thread/b3dfd811f4bc5721

There are currently 7 threads in the Google Docs & Spreadsheets Help Group about Opera support.

If you have a Google Account, please post to the group, requesting Opera support, and show support for others who create threads requesting Opera support.

Lately I'm having strange problem on Google docs (Opera 9.02 and xEraths Js fix from today). When writing and formating text (simple bold/italic), spaces are after some time created as non-breaking (viewable on HTML edit) so the lines don't wrap. I have to manualy select every "space" and replace it with space. It's most annoying.
Anyone has the same problem?

maybe it is not right place but can you add fix for google/notebook?

Originally posted by michal_82:

google/notebook

I'll have to investigate.
Next for me is google pages and the new google groups.

If you use Google Groups, remember to keep requesting Opera support in the official help groups set up by Google.

Polish Opera users writed to Google Poland a letter(s).
http://poradnikwebmastera.blox.pl/2006/12/List-otwarty-do-Google-Polska.html (this redactor PC World Computer - Paweł Wimmer)

Some polish newservices write about it. And Google Poland write a Reply:
http://googlepolska.blogspot.com/2006/12/google-opera.html

But is no satisfy...

xErath: fix-google-services.js is smaller - now 117 lines, 2 week ago 131). What do you change in this script?

Some cleaning.

xErath: Maybe you add fix for gmail from browser.js? Now works obnly when I use gmail from adress http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth.

See comments for this: http://my.opera.com/saito/blog/2006/12/24/google-chat-on-gmail-with-opera

Originally posted by adas:

Maybe you add fix for gmail from browser.js? Now works obnly when I use gmail from adress http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth.

That's up to Hallvord.

http://digg.com/programming/Make_Google_Services_Opera_Friendly - please digg this information...

And there is some info about this script:
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/12/make-google-services-opera-friendly.html
http://operawatch.com/news/2007/01/how-to-make-google-services-opera-friendly.html

Originally posted by xErath:

That's up to Hallvord.

Originally posted by hallvors:

I know about xErath's excellent fixes and I will consider them for browser.js, hope to get to it sooner rather than later.

This topic still active?

I saved those .js files to my user js folder. Is that it?

[img]http://files.myopera.com/almansur/files/1Dibujo.JPG

It looks like this to me, masked as IE and Firefox. Ohh Google....

almansur: Maybe you have a Fit to width enabled?

Nope, if I enable it, those links go to a straight vertical position to the left of the page.

I'd like to use xErath's fix-google-services script, but have no idea where to place it. Per almansur's post above, I looked for a user/js folder, but none were to be found in my installation of Opera 9.10 (this includes looking in Documents and settings/my name/Application data/Opera, as well as Program files/Opera -> all sub-folders.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance.

http://userjs.org/help/installation
Create the folder, place its path in the configuration, then place script there.

xErath, thank you very much (both for the script and the info). Works like a champ!

Hello Mr. js-champion (AKA xerath)!

Would you be able to provide a js for Google groups - "Edit new page"? I (and possibly others) would greatly appreciate this!

Thanks - Hans

Originally posted by HansKiefer:

Would you be able to provide a js for Google groups - "Edit new page"? I (and possibly others) would greatly appreciate this!

In the near future.
Meanwhile, I'll ask everyone to take a look at this one:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=174652

First of all: xErath, thanks for all your hard work! The scripts are great!

Second: I noticed today that there was a new version of your fix-google-services script (version 20070126). Is there any place where you keep changelogs?

Thanks again,

M.

Originally posted by jonspencerbx:

Is there any place where you keep changelogs?

No... I keep editing the script incrementally so I generally don't keep a changelog. You can diff it with the previsou version though The last changes were preventing usage of capturing event listeners in picassa, thanks to the Gecko bug.

sorry, i can't use de gooogle calendar. Your js is working good for spreadsheet and picasa, but i can't use calendar. (I know how to install a js, and i have many js working, i don't know what to do in this case)

note: sorry for my english =(

Do you know how to use and install userjs? http://userjs.org/help/installation
Its working on my end. Opera latest build and latest script as far as i can tell.

Originally posted by fearphage:

Do you know how to use and install userjs? http://userjs.org/help/installation
Its working on my end. Opera latest build and latest script as far as i can tell.

yes, really i don't know why is not working..

i going to try changing de directory of js.. (in this moment i'm using /opera/js )

opera version: 9.2
build 8713

thx, in the worst case: uninstall, clean, install and configure again...

thanks for google-serviice-fix.js!

there are some great google extensions which are only available for IE & Firefox; google notebook for both of them & google sync just for firefox. isn't there any way to solve this...to play a trick so that opera can use these firefox extensions?

Originally posted by adas:

Polish Opera users writed to Google Poland a letter(s).
http://poradnikwebmastera.blox.pl/2006/12/List-otwarty-do-Google-Polska.html (this redactor PC World Computer - Paweł Wimmer)

Some polish newservices write about it. And Google Poland write a Reply:
http://googlepolska.blogspot.com/2006/12/google-opera.html

Polish isn't one of the Google Translate languages, so could someone translate that into English?

Hildanknight, I found two online translators which could give a vague idea of what was written about Google and Opera:

http://www.poltran.com/
http://www.gts-translation.com/translateweb.asp (put in the URL, the version for translating of text in a form field didn't work)

Originally posted by xErath:

Originally posted by jonspencerbx:

Is there any place where you keep changelogs?

No... I keep editing the script incrementally so I generally don't keep a changelog. You can diff it with the previsou version though The last changes were preventing usage of capturing event listeners in picassa, thanks to the Gecko bug.

I see you made a changelog after all

Very nice! Thanks