Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 12:53:31
Call to action: Deceptive marketing of Safari 4
Apple has made a lot of misleading and false accusations with the release of Safari 4 beta. I would like you (the community) to help me rectify this matter.Originally posted by Apple Marketing:
There are more fallacies to list but I am short on time. In many cases, Safari is the 3rd (if not later) browser to be adding some of this functionality and not the 1st as they proclaim.Acid 3 Compliance
Safari is the first — and only — web browser to pass Acid 3.
RSS Reader
The first browser to feature a built-in RSS reader, Safari is the ideal way to browse the entire web without using a second application.
Built-in Google Search
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface.
CSS 3 Web Fonts
Safari was the first browser to automatically recognize websites that use custom fonts and download them as needed.
Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field, making it more visible and freeing up space for web content.
HTML 5 Media Support
Websites can now deliver rich, interactive media as easily as they deliver images. The first browser to support HTML 5 audio and video tags, Safari helps developers create media-rich sites that don’t require additional plug-ins.
Bookmark Auto-Click
Safari offers a great way to automatically open the bookmarks inside a bookmark folder, each in a separate tab. In fact, it was the first browser to offer Auto-Click bookmarks. To catch up with your favorite news sites in the morning, use Auto-Click to open multiple pages in individual tabs with a single click.
What can you do?
Please help me in citing the errors in this page. I have started a wikipedia entry documenting the falsehoods in their advertising. Please contribute and cite your sources. Thank you. I will publish this to a public facing article when it has more content.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 21:58:29 (edited)
Originally posted by fearphage:
Acid 3 Compliance
Safari is the first — and only — web browser to pass Acid 3.
On March 26th, 2008 at 6:55 pm webkit.org announces that WebKit achieves 100/100 on the Acid 3 test in a public build.
Straight afterwards Opera Desktop Team announces that an internal WinGogi build rendered 100/100 on the Acid 3 test.
On December 4th, 2008, Opera 10 alpha was released with Presto 2.2, which also renders 100/100.
On February 19th, 2009, the Torch Mobile blog announced that Iris 1.1 achieved 100/100 on Acid 3.
On February 24th, 2009, Apple released the first public beta of Safari 4 which achieves 100/100 on the Acid 3 test.
No nightly builds of Firefox have achieved a score of 100/100 yet.
Originally posted by fearphage:
RSS Reader
The first browser to feature a built-in RSS reader, Safari is the ideal way to browse the entire web without using a second application.
On December 19th, 2003 Opera QA announces support for RSS in Opera 7.50 Preview 1
On September 13th, 2004, Mozilla releases Firefox 1.0 PR with support for RSS via Live Bookmarks.
On April 29th, 2005, Safari 2 was released with RSS support.
With the release of Internet Explorer 7 in October 2006, Microsoft added support for RSS.
Originally posted by fearphage:
Built-in Google Search
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface.
On December 6, 2000 Opera 5 was released with an integrated search field.
Phoenix 1.2, the early predecessor of Firefox included a integrated search field when it was released. Phoenix was released September 23, 2002.
Safari 0.8 Public beta was released January 7th, 2003. I was unable to find any information that confirms the search feature was included then, but the screenshot of Safari 1.0 on this page confirms the feature was present in version 1.0.
With the release of Internet Explorer 7 in October 2006, Microsoft added a built in search field. Earlier versions of Internet Explorer have had an adress bar that doubles as a search field for as long as I can remember.
Originally posted by fearphage:
CSS 3 Web Fonts
Safari was the first browser to automatically recognize websites that use custom fonts and download them as needed.
Internet Explorer 4 was released in September 1997 and included support for downloadable web fonts.
On October 3rd, 2007, webkit.org announced support for web fonts in WebKit.
Opera 10 Alpha, which was announced on December 4th, 2008 included support for web fonts.
On December 8th, 2008, Mozilla released Firefox 3.1 beta 2 which included support for web fonts.
Originally posted by fearphage:
Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field, making it more visible and freeing up space for web content.
Safari 1.0, and I assume 0.8, released on 7 January 2003, included a progress indicator in the adress field as shown in the second screenshot on the linked page.
On October 26, 2004, Opera 7.6 TP2 included a progress field in the address bar as seen under the heading "OK, preview 2 of V7.6 has finally been released" on the page in the link.
Originally posted by fearphage:
HTML 5 Media Support
Websites can now deliver rich, interactive media as easily as they deliver images. The first browser to support HTML 5 audio and video tags, Safari helps developers create media-rich sites that don’t require additional plug-ins.
On April 17, 2007, Opera Labs announced an experimental version of Opera 9.5 with support for the video HTML element.
On November 12th, 2007, webkit.org announced support for html 5 media in webkit nightly builds.
On December 8th, 2008, Mozilla released Firefox 3.1 beta 2 which included support for HTML 5 media..
Originally posted by fearphage:
Bookmark Auto-Click
Safari offers a great way to automatically open the bookmarks inside a bookmark folder, each in a separate tab. In fact, it was the first browser to offer Auto-Click bookmarks. To catch up with your favorite news sites in the morning, use Auto-Click to open multiple pages in individual tabs with a single click.
In the end of 2000 Opera 5 was released with the hotlist feature, also known as panels. The new feature included the ability to open all the bookmarks inside a folder by middle clicking.
Safari 0.8 Public beta was released January 7th, 2003 This release included support for "Bookmark Auto-Click".
Firefox currently supports this feature as well. I haven't been able to find information about when it was included.
Please note that I'm trying to find the earliest announcement of the features for each browser. If you have information preceding the information in this post please post a reply in this forum topic.
More information will be added to this post later.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 16:30:23 (edited)
Digg this
http://digg.com/apple/The_Great_Feature_Train_Robbery
let's get some attention for this shamelessness eh?
EDIT: Good lord, they're even trying to claim movable tabs
Originally posted by http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html:
Safari was the first browser to let you organize tabs by dragging and dropping. Movable tabs give you the power to organize your sites exactly the way you want. Rearrange tabs by dragging their tab handle left or right. Drag a tab out of a window to create a new window. Or drag a tab from one window to another window to merge their tabs.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 17:08:25
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 18:16:33
Originally posted by ersi:
This is not even true. Google publicly said Chrome took a lot of cues from Opera. In reality, Safari 4 is copying Chrome a lot. Which transitively means they are copying Opera too. Chrome also had movable tabs before Safari. That's what I mean when I said that in some cases, Safari is the 3rd browser to have a feature/functionaliy although they are claiming to be first.Apple's claims are true if they assume other browsers never existed (particularly Opera).
Originally posted by drlaunch:
iI don't edit Wikipedia but I can help you debunk some of the points here.
drlaunch. you rock. Thanks for doing the leg work. Now all i need to do is find time to add it to the week. Take note that I didn't site every fallacy that Safari makes. I just grabbed a few that jumped out at me. Thanks again. 
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 18:24:01
But, Safari claimed:
Originally posted by http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html:
Safari was the first popular browser with a download management window. Use it to view the progress of your downloads; pause, resume, or cancel a transfer; or find the location of downloaded files.
It's really a shame that no one kept detail log of new features for every browser...
Safari is really going too far this time...
Copy features from others are acceptable, but stealing credits from other's innovations is definitely an act of PIRACY!
I have lost any respect I have for the rotten Apple.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 18:35:55
Originally posted by drlaunch:
Well, if you let WebKit = Safari, then it's kind of truthy. Except for the "only" part.Originally posted by fearphage:
Acid 3 Compliance
Safari is the first — and only — web browser to pass Acid 3.
On March 26th, 2008 at 6:55 pm webkit.org announces that WebKit achieves 100/100 on the Acid 3 test in a public build.
Straight afterwards Opera Desktop Team announces that an internal WinGogi build rendered 100/100 on the Acid 3 test.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 19:33:15 (edited)
When they claim first, they usually mean the final version, except for Acid 3, in which no final version of a browser has passed.
"Acid 3 Compliance
Safari is the first — and only — web browser to pass Acid 3."
Yes, it is. Opera never claim to pass Acid 3. Because Acid 3 requires smooth animation, which requires a super fast javascript engine. Webkit only claims to pass Acid 3 after the implementation of SquirrelFish Extreme.
http://webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/
"RSS Reader
The first browser to feature a built-in RSS reader, Safari is the ideal way to browse the entire web without using a second application."
It is correct according to their definition of RSS reader. Firefox live bookmarks is not RSS reader, and Opera's RSS reader is in M2, which they may not consider as a part of the "browser". RSS reader in an "email client" was actually nothing new at that time.
"Built-in Google Search
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface."
Admit it, it is the first "popular" browser to build a search field into its user interface.
"CSS 3 Web Fonts
Safari was the first browser to automatically recognize websites that use custom fonts and download them as needed."
Opera did it in 10 and it is not final. But Safari did it during 3.1 I don't know whether it is the case for IE4, but they should mean the "css3 web font" instead.
"Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field, making it more visible and freeing up space for web content."
When did Opera implemented it? (If my memory isn't wrong it is during 7.5) But Safari implemented it since version 1.
"HTML 5 Media Support
Websites can now deliver rich, interactive media as easily as they deliver images. The first browser to support HTML 5 audio and video tags, Safari helps developers create media-rich sites that don’t require additional plug-ins."
Safari did it during 3.1. Firefox/Opera has similar features, but they are not yet final.
(Considering beta versions, Opera did it earlier than webkit)
http://webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/
Bookmark Auto-Click
Safari offers a great way to automatically open the bookmarks inside a bookmark folder, each in a separate tab. In fact, it was the first browser to offer Auto-Click bookmarks. To catch up with your favorite news sites in the morning, use Auto-Click to open multiple pages in individual tabs with a single click.
This is implemented since 1.0, but I don't know when Opera implemented it.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 19:29:36
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 19:47:01
VoiceOver Screen Reader
Opera since version 8 has voice support (not VoiceOver though)
CSS Animation (mentioned twice)
CSS animation — an open standard that brings a new level of interactivity to the web
Open with -webkit prefix, right. CSS animations is a feature they developed themselves, and it's not a standard at all. It still very nice though.
CSS Canvas
Using CSS Canvas, web designers can position canvas elements anywhere an image can be placed using CSS. Safari is the first web browser to support CSS Canvas.
Another proprietary feature.
Acid 2 Compliance
Safari passed Acid 2 on October 27, 2005, two-and-a-half years before any other popular browser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_2#Timeline_of_passing_applications
Acid 3 Compliance
Safari is the first — and only — web browser to pass Acid 3.
Then Opera isn't... ?
Bookmark Auto-Click
Safari offers a great way to automatically open the bookmarks inside a bookmark folder, each in a separate tab. In fact, it was the first browser to offer Auto-Click bookmarks.
Opera does not call it something stupid like auto-click, but it's been there since we had panels.
Movable Tabs
Safari was the first browser to let you organize tabs by dragging and dropping.
This one made me laugh.. probably they really meant last ?
Downloads Window
Safari was the first popular browser with a download management window.
...
RSS Reader
The first browser to feature a built-in RSS reader
Built-in Google Search
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface.
SnapBack
Before you know it, you’ve wandered far from your original search results. Thanks to SnapBack, a single click on the SnapBack icon takes you right back to your original search results.
This is actually rewind in Opera, and it the most misleading feature it has for new users....
Cookie Blocking
Safari is the first browser that blocks these tracking cookies by default, better protecting your privacy. Safari accepts cookies only from your current domain.
Elegant User Interface
You see a scroll bar only when you need one. The progress indicator is conveniently located in the web address field. When you visit a secure site, the easy-to-see lock icon appears at the top of the Safari window. And by default, you see no status bar, giving you more room to browse and view the web. All of these design elements were first introduced by Apple in 2003.
Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field
And some notes
Speculative Loading
Called Delayed Script execution in Opera
SVG 1.1 Support
Webkit's svg support is not even at 60%
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 20:38:25
Originally posted by bennetttt:
Their claims contain a lot of ambiguities but it is hard to say whether they lie or not.
When they claim first, they usually mean the final version, except for Acid 3, in which no final version of a browser has passed.
...snip...
"Built-in Google Search
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface."
Admit it, it is the first "popular" browser to build a search field into its user interface.
How about Opera Mini? Since the startup screen is not a webpage I'd say it's part of the interface, meaning they're not entirely right. Ambiguities everywhere
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 20:57:49
Originally posted by bennetttt:
It is correct according to their definition of RSS reader. Firefox live bookmarks is not RSS reader, and Opera's RSS reader is in M2, which they may not consider as a part of the "browser". RSS reader in an "email client" was actually nothing new at that time.
This is arguably false. Opera's RSS reader interface might be based on M2. But the main RSS interface is used separately from the mail interface, making it a built in RSS reader.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
Safari was the first popular browser to build a search field into its user interface."
Admit it, it is the first "popular" browser to build a search field into its user interface.
That depends on your definition of popular. Opera 5 was quite popular during its time. However, if we say 5% is the popularity treshold for a web browser, Firefox became popular in the start of 2005 and Safari became popular by the end of 2007 according to Net Applications, meaning Firefox was the first popular browser with a search box built in. Internet Explorers address bar has doubled as a search field since version 4. So IE4 was arguably first in September 1997.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
Opera did it in 10 and it is not final. But Safari did it during 3.1 I don't know whether it is the case for IE4, but they should mean the "css3 web font" instead.
CSS3's version is viritually identical to the one in IE4. Although IE had a "bug" that made only TrueType fonts converted to Embedded OpenType work.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
"Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field, making it more visible and freeing up space for web content."
When did Opera implemented it? (If my memory isn't wrong it is during 7.5) But Safari implemented it since version 1.
Safari was indeed first according to my first post with Opera as #2.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 20:57:53
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 21:25:44
Originally posted by bennetttt:
Google Chromeis 100/100 and faster and smoother than Safari.Yes, it is. Opera never claim to pass Acid 3. Because Acid 3 requires smooth animation, which requires a super fast javascript engine. Webkit only claims to pass Acid 3 after the implementation of SquirrelFish Extreme.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
Firefox isn't popular now? These are not all claims that Opera beat them on these accounts but that another browser did. Firefox is popular and has had the search field for ages.Admit it, it is the first "popular" browser to build a search field into its user interface.
Originally posted by xErath:
If you don't count Opera and Chrome, it is true.Safari was the first browser to let you organize tabs by dragging and dropping.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 22:03:55
That is not a bug. There is a lot of legal issues to sort out with supporting CSS3 Fonts, EOT fonts was a compromise to allow Microsoft to support this feature in IE4. A lot of fonts are not free or licensed to be distributed in this way. Until the legal issues are sorted out, best not use any fonts that are not allowed to be distributed, i.e. read the license file.CSS3's version is viritually identical to the one in IE4. Although IE had a "bug" that made only TrueType fonts converted to Embedded OpenType work.
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 23:09:49
Originally posted by ersi:
Apple's claims are true if they assume other browsers never existed (particularly Opera). This is typical in marketing: competition either doesn't exist at all or is wrapped in gray and labeled "ordinary".
It's funny you mention that. I downloaded the Safari 4 preview yesterday, and when I was in the preferences section here's what I saw for my browser choices:
Safari, Google, Firefox, and Chrome. No choice for Opera in there...
Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 23:51:43
Originally posted by darumaki:
Who cares ?
We do. Let's say you made something. Other people stole it, and claimed that it was originally theirs.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 01:43:40
Originally posted by drlaunch:
This is arguably false. Opera's RSS reader interface might be based on M2. But the main RSS interface is used separately from the mail interface, making it a built in RSS reader.
If the main RSS interface is used separately from the mail interface, it is also separated from the "browser" interface.
Originally posted by drlaunch:
That depends on your definition of popular. Opera 5 was quite popular during its time. However, if we say 5% is the popularity treshold for a web browser, Firefox became popular in the start of 2005 and Safari became popular by the end of 2007 according to Net Applications, meaning Firefox was the first popular browser with a search box built in. Internet Explorers address bar has doubled as a search field since version 4. So IE4 was arguably first in September 1997.
What if they define it as the first popular browser "nowadays". If Opera becomes popular, it will replace Safari to gain the throne of being the first.
They do mean the separate searchbox, so IE4 doesn't count.
Originally posted by fearphage:
Safari was the first browser to let you organize tabs by dragging and dropping.
They lied.
Originally posted by higherlogic:
Safari, Google, Firefox, and Chrome. No choice for Opera in there...
That is interesting, Safari detects Opera but fails to detect Chrome in my computer. This has to do with the system registry. The same thing happens with the "Open with" function in Opera (and Safari).
Originally posted by fearphage:
Google Chromeis 100/100 and faster and smoother than Safari.
really? Apple tend to mix up Safari with Webkit
Originally posted by darumaki:
Who cares ? Not I... It's a silly argument who got there first the chicken or the egg. It doesn't really matter, it's who says it better that counts. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Opera has a bad reputation of implementing a new feature without further developing it. They simply let other browser catch up and do an even better job.
When you blame Apple for boasting on their small features, is Opera doing the same? In 9.5, it emphasised on the "open with" feature that is common in many developer tools. It also spends a lot of efforts on advertising Dragonfly, which is a catchup instead of a something. This is why Opera should not blame firefox for truly popularize the tabs feature. Opera did it first, but firefox made it popular, and this is the point.
And is Opera always honest?
Opera used to claim to be the fastest browser on earth (They have dropped the title since version 8). It is just like Apple claiming "first". Because Opera may excel in certain aspects in speed, but it is not the fastest in all areas. Though Opera "feels" the fastest in general, the general feeling of speed cannot be measured. Opera is fast, but when Opera says it is the fastest, no one is able to say it is true or not.
There are many features that exist in all modern browsers and Opera contributed a lot to it. But haven't anyone noticed that Opera is less innovative nowadays?
In fact, this is the game today. Every browser excel in their own areas, and the other browser play the catch up.
Opera/Firefox develops a useful new address bar, Safari/IE do the catch up.
Safari implements <video> <audio> first in their final version of browser, Opera/Firefox has to catch up... (Don't tell me about the TP versions in Opera, Opera has still not implemented it in 10)
Opera is now catching up in the areas of RT editing in M2 as well as autoupdate
Opera still has unique features like "fit to width".
Opera is the first to have full page zoom, but now when every browser has both text zoom and full page zoom, Opera still doesn't get text zoom. (though it can be achieved easily using a bookmarklet)
Safari used to suck, but version 4 really impresses me, same goes with firefox 3/3.1 when compared with 2.
IE8 is becoming a lot more solid than 7, and the gaps between IE and the other browsers are minimized these days.
What I mean is that Opera should also work hard on their browser. I know they have done and are doing a good job, and they are continuing to improve, but they definitely need to improve even further to meet the demands of tomorrow's browsers. Gecko/Webkit are the first to notice the importance of fast js engines, which initiates the big bang of speed race these days. The only innovative new feature in Opera these days is Speed dial. Every browser is developing in a fast pace, and Opera should only speed up its developments instead of slowing it down.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 05:12:27
Originally posted by bennetttt:
When you blame Apple for boasting on their small features, is Opera doing the same
The point is Apple is being dishonest & fabricate false impression of they're "the 1st of something". Opera did copy features from others, but Opera is honest about it & never claim to be the 1st...
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 09:32:54 (edited)
Originally posted by dude09:
Opera copied things from other browsers, so did chrome, safari, ie, konqueror,The point is Apple is being dishonest & fabricate false impression of they're "the 1st of something". Opera did copy features from others, but Opera is honest about it & never claim to be the 1st...
By the way people, my days have a finite length. If you want to edit the wikipedia entry yourself, feel free. I'll have to put it off until the weekend at least.
And lastly, i found out that this thread made the front page of hacker news.
Other responses heard around the web:
Originally posted by digg:
(source)I thought Apple never copies anyone? Wheres the innovation? It seems more like a Chrome Clone.
Originally posted by lifehacker:
(source)Fans of Opera's Speed Dial and Google Chrome will say that Safari 4's "Top Sites" page looks awfully familiar. Like Chrome, Top Sites shows a thumbnail grid of web sites you've visited based on frequency, which changes as your browser history does over time...
Safari's implementation of this been-there-done-that feature brings some flash and additional customization options to the table....
Tabs on Top
Another page stolen from Chrome's playbook is Safari's new tabs style, which puts tabs at the very top of the window....
Safari changes things up slightly in two ways: the close tab button is on the left side of the tab, and that grippy handle on the right is a visual indicator that you can grab a tab and drag it to a new window, into another, or just into another position (also like Chrome).
Originally posted by digg:
(source)"as well as appropriating ideas from other browsers"
Code for "reskinned chrome"
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 10:14:58 (edited)
- Pre-preparing the info could be seen as a contrived effort to bring Apple into disrepute - something frowned upon in Wikipedia as they're very big on NPOV
- Many edits might generate more discussion than one - similar to "bumps" in a forum thread
- It would get info on that frontpage quicker
What thinketh ye?
Also:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/general/gen03.shtm#bcp
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/784293.html
... apparently making an official complaint about such a thing doesn't even cost anything over there in the US of A.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 12:15:14 (edited)
Originally posted by lucideer:
This is my first article so I read the wikipedia tutorial and they suggested putting content in before going live with it. Feel free to start adding content now if you want. I'll move it to a public page at the end of my day so get your edits in now. FYI, it is morning here.May I suggest adding the information to the Wikipedia article frontpage immediately
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 11:04:26
Originally posted by bennetttt:
If the main RSS interface is used separately from the mail interface, it is also separated from the "browser" interface.
The RSS interface is part of the browser. Your unread feeds show up in the newsfeed menu and you can subscribe to news directly from a website, meaning the RSS reader is just as much part of the browser as the one in Safari.
I'll give credit where credit's due. And under no circumstance will someone who falsely claims to be first get the credit for it.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
What if they define it as the first popular browser "nowadays". If Opera becomes popular, it will replace Safari to gain the throne of being the first.
They do mean the separate searchbox, so IE4 doesn't count.
I explictly said Firefox was the first popular browser to include a search box. Safari wasn't the first popular browser to do this. Period. End of discussion. Read up on this and you'll see it for your self.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
And is Opera always honest?
Opera used to claim to be the fastest browser on earth (They have dropped the title since version 8).
If they dropped the title they aren't claiming to be the fastest any more, thus they aren't being dishonest.
Originally posted by bennetttt:
There are many features that exist in all modern browsers and Opera contributed a lot to it. But haven't anyone noticed that Opera is less innovative nowadays?
How about Opera Link which syncs URL history, speed dial, notes, searches and bookmarks across several platforms? How about its unrivaled support for SVG? However, if you're talking about a time span from last week until today, Opera hasn't made any innovations since then.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 11:26:43
Things Apple is Claiming First on:
CSS Animation — Obviously true. They made up the “standard”
CSS Effects — “Effects” would encompass everything that CSS does, from font sizing to animation, and safari certainly isn’t the first to implement CSS. However the effects they mention are new (Except I think IE can do CSS masks)
>CSS Web fonts — IE did it first. Its crippled implementation still counts
CSS Canvas — True: http://webkit.org/blog/176/css-canvas-drawing/
HTML5 Media Tags: True: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(HTML_5)#Web_Applications_1.0
HTML Canvas: True. Apple made the standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_(HTML_element)
Acid3 Compliance: Webkit got 100% first and has “smooth animation”. Presto didn’t and doesn’t. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_3#Development_and_impact
ICC support: since Safari 1.0, well before FF.
Auto-Click Bookmarks: Totally minor and useless feature, but it’s talking about specific bookmark sets in the bookmark bar where the default (Left-click) action is opening them all in tabs. Not middle click to open in tabs. When this feature appeared, they were all using one button mice and apparently couldn’t find the command key.
Moveable tabs: Introduced in Safari 3. The Tabs are actually moveable between windows, not just rearrangeable as all previous browsers’ were, and opera’s are to this day.
Downloads Window: Stupid. Maybe earlier download managers were all in the form of a tab or a sidebar (a technicality), but still a complete fabrication. I actually find the downloads window rather redundant with the downloads stack.
RSS reader: Kind of a grey area… Live Bookmarks don’t allow one to actually read RSS documents. Consider an RSS feed which doesn’t link anywhere (I have a few). Safari was the first browser that allowed reading of RSS feeds.
“lets you sort data based on loading parameters such as latency, response time, and duration.”: No idea
Built-In Google Search: blatantly false
“first browser that blocks these tracking cookies by default”: Wow; a default preference is claimed as a First. No idea if its true—who publicises their browser’s default cookie preferences?
Inline Progress: Don’t know why it has the “New” badge, because its been there from the beginning of Safari, and it was in safari first. It’s also gone from the Safari 4 Beta; which seemingly has no progress indicator at all.
(Weirdly, they don’t claim first on resizable text fields. I’m pretty sure they were first with that.)
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 11:36:26
Originally posted by karmaVS:
Moveable tabs: Introduced in Safari 3. The Tabs are actually moveable between windows, not just rearrangeable as all previous browsers’ were, and opera’s are to this day.
You can do that in Opera too using the window panel.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 11:48:47
Originally posted by drlaunch:
Originally posted by bennetttt:
If the main RSS interface is used separately from the mail interface, it is also separated from the "browser" interface.
The RSS interface is part of the browser. Your unread feeds show up in the newsfeed menu and you can subscribe to news directly from a website, meaning the RSS reader is just as much part of the browser as the one in Safari.
I'll give credit where credit's due. And under no circumstance will someone who falsely claims to be first get the credit for it.
.....till the end.....
Hi, I love your answers.
Do you mind if I post your answers on my blog?
Surely I will put a link to this forum.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 12:31:22
On October 26, 2004, Opera 7.6 TP2 included a progress field in the address bar as seen under the heading "OK, preview 2 of V7.6 has finally been released" on the page in the link.
actually, release 7.2 had it. The full progress bar in the address bar. Though I can't find when 7.20 series were released, probably around 2003.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 12:44:32
Originally posted by karmaVS:
Safari was the first browser that allowed reading of RSS feeds.
Originally posted by drlaunch:
On December 19th, 2003 Opera QA announces support for RSS in Opera 7.50 Preview 1
On September 13th, 2004, Mozilla releases Firefox 1.0 PR with support for RSS via Live Bookmarks.
On April 29th, 2005, Safari 2 was released with RSS support.
Originally posted by sandalian:
Hi, I love your answers.
Do you mind if I post your answers on my blog?
I don't mind. Feel free to post them on your blog.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 13:03:26
Originally posted by karmaVS:
Moveable tabs: Introduced in Safari 3. The Tabs are actually moveable between windows, not just rearrangeable as all previous browsers’ were, and opera’s are to this day.
In Opera, since ever, you can drag tabs out of the opera window or between windows easily without using the panel. But if you feel like using the panel, it works just as fine.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 16:25:41
Originally posted by danteregis:
"Inline Progress Indicator
Safari was the first browser to move the progress indicator into the address field, making it more visible and freeing up space for web content."
When did Opera implemented it? (If my memory isn't wrong it is during 7.5) But Safari implemented it since version 1.
It was certainly there in Opera 6, though not on by default. Maybe even earlier.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 17:54:10 (edited)
Released in march of 2002, a year before the first release of Safari.progress.JPG
EDIT:a thought occurs. Perhaps Opera (or someone with a really good memory) should make a nice feature timeline showing what they introduced when.
Apparently feature history is now something to boast about and Opera could do very well there.
Thursday, 26. February 2009, 18:58:50
Friday, 27. February 2009, 12:34:52
Friday, 27. February 2009, 14:03:02
Apparently some at zdnet thinks it is fast.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3636
Safari 4 - This is one fast browser!
Few few quick benchmark results …
* Safari 4 beta scores a perfect 100 on the ACID 3 test.
* Safari 4 beta aces both the SunSpider JavaScript and V8 benchmark test. It’s now officially the fastest browser.
I didn't like the look. For some reason after installing I had a green back round and a lot of the pages would not correctly render for me. I didn't take any time to fix anything. It was a quick install - un-install.
Friday, 27. February 2009, 14:34:56
Originally posted by Zotlan:
Perhaps Opera (or someone with a really good memory) should make a nice feature timeline showing what they introduced when.
You mean something like this?: http://operawiki.info/OperaInnovations
Although, I suppose it could do with a bit more detail
Friday, 27. February 2009, 14:52:11
Originally posted by Chas4:
like this
Originally posted by lucideer:
You mean something like this?: http://operawiki.info/OperaInnovations
Although, I suppose it could do with a bit more detail
Something like that yes but, indeed, more detailed than the wiki and possibly laid out in a nice graphic.
Friday, 27. February 2009, 15:15:51
Originally posted by Zotlan:
possibly laid out in a nice graphic.
Well I suppose this thread is as good a place as any to start such an endeavor (although a member or Opera staff just whipping out a comprehensive historical summary of all major events in the changelogs would be even easier)
As a start:
Originally posted by the operawiki:
1-1994 MDI Interface Ram Cache 2-1996 Zoom Sessions 3-1998 Bookmark Nicknames UserCSS 4-2000 Clear Private Data 5-2000 Mouse Gestures Integrated Search Pop-up Blocking 6-2002 Small Screen Rendering 7-2003 Fast Forward Spatial Navigation 8-2005 Fit to width Voice navigation User Javascript browser.js 9-2006 BitTorrent Widgets 9.2-2007 Speeddial
Additions to the list?
Originally posted by Zotlan:
inline progress bar in 6.06
Released in march of 2002
is one...
This is not a bad resource either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_of_the_Opera_web_browser
Friday, 27. February 2009, 15:30:36
Originally posted by Arnt:
Progress bar like this has always been in Opera.
Another feature that has always been in Opera:
Originally posted by Apple:
Safari was the first browser to let you organize tabs by dragging and dropping.
This has technically being in Opera since version 1, and at the very least since they introduced tabs (basically depending on whether you consider MDI=tabs).
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