Inline page search ('.') in 10.50

Inline page search ('.') in 10.50

I use the incremental inline page search constantly (press '.' and start typing characters). There are some big annoyances in the way Opera 10.50 handles this compared with earlier versions:

1. It scrolls the page down to make room for the search box. Yuck!

2. On page A do an inline search and get some hits highlighted in yellow. Click a link to go to page B. Press back or 'z' to go back to page A. The highlights are no longer there so you have to press F3 to make them show again. This is surprisingly annoying, and also it breaks if you do a separate inline search on page B as F3 will perform the more recent search. I'm sure the highlights were persistent in Opera 10.10, no?

3. If you press Escape at any time - to get rid of the inline search box or even when the box isn't active - the highlights disappear. There's no way to make the search box go away while retaining the highlights other than waiting 5 seconds for it to disappear by itself.

In general the highlights are less persistent now which is worse behaviour imho.

Point 2 is enough by itself to make me go back to 10.10. Is there a setting to restore the 10.10 behaviour?

Changing its placement to bottom gets rid of the page scrolling - thanks for that.

If it's possible to retain highlighting as with previous versions that would be ideal.

Now I've used 10.50 some more, there are so many annoyances or bugs (hard to tell which is which sometimes) that I'm going back to 10.10.

(Been using Opera since 2.x and this is one of the worst updates for sure.)

For the same reason I consider 10.50 quite poor update for me. I use the '.' search almost all the time and find it now very poor. I liked the fact that '.' search got me the first search result right away without the need for pressing F3 [which it required (at least for me) to press now.] Also it now darkens all the other text on the page. This makes the readability of the page very poor. I hope there wouldn't be any separate "mode" for the text search, but it would only nicely highlight the searched text like it did before. Please allow the usage of the old version of the search. I think it's much better. It seem that the default config of the opera gets worse and worse, and with every new version I have more setup to do when I install the browser :l

It was also nice that the search bar was a little "lighter" in the previous versions and didn't span the whole width of the screen.

I think the O button wasn't too bad. However, when I used update, the new O button was nowhere to be found. I finally found a way to add it, but I bet some people will not find it. I think this should be fixed also. Many updaters will loose their nerves

I had to upgrade to 10.10 since my excessive usage of '.'-search.

Originally posted by Belgarion:

Also it now darkens all the other text on the page. This makes the readability of the page very poor. I hope there wouldn't be any separate "mode" for the text search, but it would only nicely highlight the searched text like it did before.

I also was annoyed by this behavior. To fix this, open the preferences editor by typing "opera:config" in the address bar and search for "Dim Search Opacity". Set it to a value that fits your taste (0 = no dimming).

Best regards,
Sascha

I never knew about the dot key having anything to do with search. What annoys me is that the normal search behaviour that is generally available in Windows programs and used to work in Opera as well - namely [Ctrl-F, type keywords, hit Enter] - now takes me away from the current page and off to a Google search instead of the normal in-page search. I really really don't need yet another Google box. I already have the address bar to do all my searches in by using the appropriate (custom) prefixes.

I've done what is in this post and find in page works like charm:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=405491&t=1267647237&page=1#comment4181441

hope this helps

Thanks Sascha!

One more thing I must remember how to change every time I install Opera :l The number is everincreasing. Also the inline search started to work much better when I did the clean install instead of the update. It's ridiculous how they put the update option in the installer if it doesn't even work. It messes the good image of the Opera for many users. My friend had issues with the update also, gladly I'am now able to guide him to do the clean install.

Originally posted by donjoe0:

I never knew about the dot key having anything to do with search. What annoys me is that the normal search behaviour that is generally available in Windows programs and used to work in Opera as well - namely [Ctrl-F, type keywords, hit Enter] - now takes me away from the current page and off to a Google search instead of the normal in-page search. I really really don't need yet another Google box. I already have the address bar to do all my searches in by using the appropriate (custom) prefixes.

That's because you previously deleted the Find In Page from your searches.

To sort things out, shutdown Opera, delete Search.ini and restart Opera.

Originally posted by prump:

3. If you press Escape at any time - to get rid of the inline search box or even when the box isn't active - the highlights disappear. There's no way to make the search box go away while retaining the highlights other than waiting 5 seconds for it to disappear by itself.

Sorry to re-post but I just have to vent about this. It's a small thing but for some reason it's enraging me beyond reason - I may actually be driven to murder*. There's no way to dismiss the inline search box without losing the highlights! Who on earth decided to make it do that?**

I said I'd downgrade to 10.10 but am a bit concerned something might break in the process - has anyone done that successfully?

* Not really.
** Well, I could make an exception for them.

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Originally posted by donjoe0:

I never knew about the dot key having anything to do with search. What annoys me is that the normal search behaviour that is generally available in Windows programs and used to work in Opera as well - namely [Ctrl-F, type keywords, hit Enter] - now takes me away from the current page and off to a Google search instead of the normal in-page search. I really really don't need yet another Google box. I already have the address bar to do all my searches in by using the appropriate (custom) prefixes.

That's because you previously deleted the Find In Page from your searches.

To sort things out, shutdown Opera, delete Search.ini and restart Opera.

i'm gonna try this because when i press enter instead of searching in page it search the term in wikipedia

i did a clean install, but i'm using opera link.

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edit:

just deleted search.ini and:

-search as you type is working again


seems like normal behaviur now, but i loosed all my custom seaches (dont worry i didnt delete the old file) but i dont know if link will overwrite my now working search in page.. ill have to see.

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edit2:

so now i have my custom searches back, i added to my search.ini the find in page entry i had missing. This is from search.ini in opera/default/ folder


[Search Engine 8]
UNIQUEID=368291005FC211DD8DE6B90756D89593
Name=
URL=
Query=
Key=f
Is post=0
Has endseparator=0
Encoding=
Search Type=12
Verbtext=0
Position=-1
Nameid=71103


only changed search engine 8, to search engine 22, as i had 21 custom search engine. Now its working.

Hopefully Opera link won overwrite my search.ini

> There's no way to dismiss the inline search box without losing the highlights!

after you dismiss it - try f3... (i know - imperfect, but it is a work around).

What really annoys me about the new inpage find is, that it takes ages until the focus is set to the current location.

I constantly use the inpage find to jump to a certain location, use tab to jump to the next input element (e.g. submit) and activate it. Unfortunately the toolbar keeps the focus for several seconds and you simply have to wait
Pressing escape does not help at all, because in that case the focus is set to the top of the page. It does not even stay at the last known location

I haven't found a configuration option the reduce the timeout yet. I suppose there is none.

Originally posted by WBTMagnum:

What really annoys me about the new inpage find is, that it takes ages until the focus is set to the current location.

No such problem here — whether using Ctrl F or / — the focus immediately jumps to the first occurrence of the search term.

• Type /
• Type loc
• The page focuses on your post
• Then, 3 seconds after finishing typing "loc" the Find toolbar disappears.

Originally posted by Pesala:

No such problem here — whether using Ctrl F or / — the focus immediately jumps to the first occurrence of the search term.

Type /

Type loc

The page focuses on your post

Then, 3 seconds after finishing typing "loc" the Find toolbar disappears.

Nope doesnt work.

I tried to put in your nick. having the first post in focus. and typed "." - "Pesala" and nothing - nada -not the slightest move... Still looking at first poster....

Sorry Opera, but in my eyes you made a mess here. I want the old inpage search back.

Definitely going back to 10.10.
Inline search in 10.50 is so unusable - it's hard to mention every annoyance.

Originally posted by Pesala:

No such problem here — whether using Ctrl F or / — the focus immediately jumps to the first occurrence of the search term.

Just to clarify my problem:
I'm talking about keyboard focus, not visual focus.

Im too quite disappointed with the new inline search. The old way was way less intrusive. Apart from the issues already mentioned I have some more:

*) With matches highlighted the scrolling gets notable jerkier. whether search bar is displayed or not and changing opacity to 0 doesn't help either.
*) use inline find ( <.> key) then set input focus to something else eg. the address-field. After a couple seconds the search bar gets hidden and input focus is automatically transfered to the web-page below it(if you where typing something in eg. the address-field they wont show up there but get sent to the web-page). (IMHO the moment you select anything else then the search-bar with the mouse the bar should immediately be hidden)

Still no fixes? I really hate this new "inline" search. Having that small unobtrusive box at the bottom right was amazing. The number 1 reason I use opera is the UI, and they really botched it with 10.51. Not only did they worsen page searching, but they redid the skin making it an ugly hybrid of Firefox and Chrome.

Originally posted by Ryzol:

Still no fixes?

The design is not broken, so there's nothing to fix regarding the toolbar. Some improvements could be made, regarding which add your ideas to this wish-list thread. Don't bother asking for the return of the popup or the dialogue, because that's not going to happen.

• One thing needs fixing — on some pages, inline find lags badly as it finds each letter. That did not happen in earlier Opera versions.
• Another thing needs improving — the cursor keys could respond while the popup inline find toolbar is still active. Currently, they only become active after the toolbar has disappeared.
• The default position of the toolbar would be better at the bottom to stop the page moving. That's unlikely to change as the top postion is familiar to Firefox and IE migrators, but it is easy to change for oneself.
• The highlighting contrast in source code is not ideal. I think this could be fixed by editing a style sheet.

How about the search bar hiding itself while I'm still clicking the down arrow on it to find new search items?

Originally posted by NihilisticThoughts:

How about the search bar hiding itself while I'm still clicking the down arrow on it to find new search items?

This is not the ideal behaviour, but why not use Ctrl F if you want to use the find toolbar like that?

I notice that the behaviour does change if you select "Match case" or "Match whole word only."

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by NihilisticThoughts:

How about the search bar hiding itself while I'm still clicking the down arrow on it to find new search items?

This is not the ideal behaviour, but why not use Ctrl F if you want to use the find toolbar like that?

I notice that the behaviour does change if you select "Match case" or "Match whole word only."

I've started using ctrl+F, but it really makes pressing "." obsolete since I'll still have to press ctrl+F to keep the bar there, and I like just pressing ".", it's quicker and feels more fluid and natural for us speed searchers!

Originally posted by NihilisticThoughts:

I like just pressing ".", it's quicker and feels more fluid and natural for us speed searchers!

Then just change the shortcut in Preferences for / from Find inline, 1 to Find.