tab-stacking disable option! please!

tab-stacking disable option! please!

hello opera

please, make an option to disable the tab-stacking feature! for an heavy opera-tabs user with 50 tabs opened, its impossile and frustrating to reorganize the tabs with a pointing device.

i thougt to switch to an older opera version, but thats impossible, then i need the new extensions-feature and older beta versions are to risky because the data loss.

i never post in forums, but that tab-stacking frustrates me every day, that i must come to that forum and post my appeal.

thank you
you've created a genious software, that i use all days several hours

+1

I think, tab-stacking is for some people a good feature, but I don't need it! Please, add a option, to disable tab-stacking.

Thank you!

Tab stacking is a lot worse today. The option to right-click and select "unstack" is gone.
I now have to click the expand error and very carefully drag the items I accidentally stacked. It took me 10 minutes to unstack 5 tabs..

Please please please please


PS where do I find post a new topic? It's not appearing on any screens I can find.

Thank you

Originally posted by fkampen:

It took me 10 minutes to unstack 5 tabs..

The menu item to unstack tabs is still there when I right-click on a tab group.

Voting for disabling option as well.
1) I never (or rarely) use stacks
2) I want to prevent opera from running more than about 360K with too many tabs. I use temporary bookmarks for this purpose.
3) I am constantly unstacking accidentally stacked items
4) I don't even know HOW I stack them

Originally posted by fkampen:

PS where do I find post a new topic? It's not appearing on any screens I can find.

I was wondering that too...

Originally posted by fkampen:

PS where do I find post a new topic

The New Topic button is at the top of each forum index.



Please use the Search field before posting, or the Advanced Search link to search further back than two months, and/or in multiple forums.

Thanks Pesala

That doesn't appear on mine. Is there something that I have set incorrectly?

Originally posted by fkampen:

That doesn't appear on mine. Is there something that I have set incorrectly?

Off-topic, but you probably didn't select a specific forum yet. Notice the directory path in Pesala's screenshot:
Opera forums >> Opera for windows/Mac/Linux >> Desktop Wishlist
Once you click on wishlist, there should be a new topic button.

Yes you must switch to an older version of Opera.

+1

Forcing the tab stacking is ugly and unfriendly. Especially for the power user, who always want to have his tabs in site. Accidentally stacking tabs kills the smooth work flow and if this feature will not be optional, it will force me to switch browser.

Please remove the force by adding an option to turn tab stacking off!

As I'm having another run at switching from ancient 10.10 to something more modern: +1 once again as this once again make me want break my computer every time I want to move a tab to a different position (I do it quite a lot!) :/

+1

Please, this ruins my productivity as you can not cycle through tabs while they are in groups.

Signed! This grouping must be disabled at-least!

+1

I find organising in windows more intuitive than tab stacks, and accidentally creating stacks is irritating.

Would Opera please tell me how to turn this shocking tab expand mess off
its driving me nuts and wasting so much of my time
After all the years of putting up with OPera and all its agrravation I have hung in there
but as I have been saying for years
When are you going to fix it?
if I wasnt so into it I would have ,and have at times ,left years ago
now all my passwords mail,favourites etc etc etc etc etc are so into it
and why ,just when a user gets happy do you have to cange it all and we gotta waste more time finding where normal things have gone
get rid of this stupid expand tab with an option pls

Im thinking to uninstall Opera because of this nasty thing!
PLEASE GIVE US OPTION TO DISABLE TAB STACKING!
IS IT SO HARD TO DO THIS??

for the love of god, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSEEEEEEEE please please please give us the option to disable it.. please please please please

i do not demonize it or something, it clearely can be a good feature, but it is not for everyone!!!
opera is the best browser and i use firefox and ie only sometimes when i need a "empty browser" without loaded tabs, but every time i have to arrange the tabs it makes me nuts
i only registered here to beg you to give us the option to deaktivate the stacking :x
(and it would be great to be able to deaktivate the x in new tabs also .. edit: oh, just found it after reading the other threat. thanks developers )..

that is not great, that i have to arrange how i browse so that i do not have to arrange the tabs..

sorry for my english, hopefully i could make my point..

+1 .. +one million for deaktivate options

(why do developers read this threat and still after that long time do not add the deaktivate option? can`t understand it....)
come on guys.. please

edit: antikapitalista +100 =)

+1, common Opera, this feature is causing more problems than convenience. Please make it optional.

+1

This was a terrible idea from the very beginning. Please add an option to stop this hell.

For the love of god, please make an option so that it would possible to turn this feature off.

+1
Add an option to disable stacking, please.

Many people lost their time because tab stacking "feature" still can't to be disabled. Opera Software, you need to include disabling option for increasing of Opera browser popularity. So why tab stacking is still can't to be disabled? Go disable this and release! Many people will thank you for this.

In this previous post: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=843282&t=1320483215&page=2#comment8468682 (now closed), many users were quite combative with those who expressed a desire to disable tab stacking. Users like this are a double edged sword in any forum, because they often contribute a lot, but they also scare many people away from participating as legitimate opinions are assaulted. But, I digress.

My point is this. I HATE tab stacking, but ONLY because it doesn't work for love nor money. But, I use ubuntu. I recently have been using OS X a bit to develop an iOS app and I realized something. Tab stacking on OS X works a ton better than it does on ubuntu.

I think there is some disagreement about this topic, because the feature works significantly better on some platforms. On linux it is abysmal. It's not just sensitive (as some have suggested), the UI will show the indicator that the tab will be placed between and not stacked, yet when the mouse button is released, the tabs stack. I think we'd all live with this mandatory feature if it worked better (but, honestly, I'd still prefer an option).

I have searched the forum and haven't found anyone making this point, so here's the main point. Some users are not as fussed by this feature, because it works worlds better on their OS than on other OSes. Thoughts? Is this useful? Disagree?

Originally posted by twomuchpizza:

Users like this are a double edged sword in any forum, because they often contribute a lot, but they also scare many people away from participating as legitimate opinions are assaulted.

Asking for an option to disable this feature is a legitimate opinion — ranting and cursing is not. Users should be banned if they repeatedly flout the rules of this forum.

You may be having problems because you have tabs set to wrap to multiple rows. That is a known bug on Windows too — it is impossible not to stack tabs if they are set to wrap, though it is possible by using the Windows panel to drag tabs around. Not ideal, I know, but it is better than nothing.

There is no sign of this option in Opera Next or Opera 11.60 yet.

Dude, from everything I've read, your replies are 50/50 with good info and just straight attacking users who have calmly expressed opinions. I'm not going to curse, because that's the rules of the forum, but at the end of the day it's ultimately harmless. Hostility on the other hand is not, and I've seen enough of that on BOTH sides of the table.

Originally posted by Pesala:

You may be having problems because you have tabs set to wrap to multiple rows. That is a known bug on Windows too — it is impossible not to stack tabs if they are set to wrap, though it is possible by using the Windows panel to drag tabs around. Not ideal, I know, but it is better than nothing.

Worth noting. I am not using tab wrapping and rearranging tabs in the OS X version of Opera works inarguably better than the linux version on my computers. The ubuntu computer is beefier as well.

Originally posted by twomuchpizza:

Dude, from everything I've read, your replies are 50/50 with good info and just straight attacking users who have calmly expressed opinions.

Never do I attack users who calmly express opinions. I criticise hostile users who lie, rant, and curse.

Originally posted by twomuchpizza:

I HATE tab stacking, but ONLY because it doesn't work for love nor money.

This is not calmly expressing an opinion. Hate = hostility. All caps = shouting, and Cursing = hostility in most contexts.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by twomuchpizza:

I HATE tab stacking, but ONLY because it doesn't work for love nor money.

This is not calmly expressing an opinion. Hate = hostility. All caps = shouting, and Cursing = hostility in most contexts.

Emphasis, emotion, but not hostility. For a person who spends as much time as you do on an internet forum, you should be able to decipher the difference.

+1 i don't have problem with that, but there are people that have

+1

Personally, I'd be content with a simple right-click option to "unstack tabs" for a particular grouping, if not a global disable option within opera:config.

I moved my tab bar to the left instead of top. It took a while to get used to it, but here I don't have the issue of accidentally stacking tabs anymore. Can't even explain why but it solved my problem. It also makes for a better layout on the wide screens.

Originally posted by Pesala:

You may be having problems because you have tabs set to wrap to multiple rows. That is a known bug on Windows too — it is impossible not to stack tabs if they are set to wrap, though it is possible by using the Windows panel to drag tabs around. Not ideal, I know, but it is better than nothing.

There is no sign of this option in Opera Next or Opera 11.60 yet.

This particular bug has been driving me insane and making it near-impossible to manage tabs with the tab bar. Ideally, the Opera devs would fix this bug and add some options for tab stacking (auto-stack on/off, only stack with/without a modifier key, auto-expand new stacks, etc.), but if that's not a priority, please at least let me turn the current broken implementation off.

@Dioramauk: +1000
@antikapitalista: +1000

I also think that tab grouping is not welcome. I've always used Opera with the tab bar wrapping. I'm on Windows so moving a tab in the tab bar results in an unwelcome stacking that I have to undo. It's a real pain in the neck.

Other than this tab stacking and my pet peeve of pinned tab that shrink and move, I find Opera 11.xx rather good. The new Mail panel is excellent, a truly brilliant UI idea.

Last, as to the "not enough time to put an option to disable tab stacking", it's a joke. Really.

edit: still no sign of an option in Opera Next (updated earlier today).

Moderator edit: This comment was removed for breaching our terms of service.

I agree with the people and consider that stacking feature is absolutely useless and annoying.
Moreover I think this option useful for nobody. Hope that developers will remove it.

@thesergeys: we people who don't like tab stacking are not asking for it to be removed. An option to disable it will do the trick.

Originally posted by thesergeys:

I agree with the people and consider that stacking feature is absolutely useless and annoying. Moreover I think this option useful for nobody. Hope that developers will remove it.

Thanks by call me "nobody"


And I hope that developers put a disable option for who doesn't use/like it.

Originally posted by ulukaiorenji:

tab-stacking disable option! please!

and again... another, tiny +1 for that...

OFF-TOPIC:
I think what is lacking in every case where people keep begging for months for something as simple as "an option (not) to..." is a candid explanation from an Opera insider. Developer, product manager, anyone, just someone explaining what is going on is enough to quell any frustration. Didn't Robin Hobb write that the hard thing in waiting is not knowing why one is waiting?

Cause, let's face it, yes, tab stacking is **very** annoying to me since it is buggy with wrapped tab bars but I don't really care THAT much for this option to disable tab stacking. I've finally come to avoid moving tabs. Shrinking pinned tabs to an icon and moving it to the left? I've solved that problem by removing the close button so that all of my tabs are actually pinned tabs and I close them with Ctrl+F4 or with the context menu. There's always a workaround but software isn't supposed to stand in the way of whatever we are doing, it's supposed to make the task easier.

What I have a problem with is the attitude. I think it is always a mistake to introduce a new "feature" that disrupts the habits of long-time users even if, as I've read on the forums, many people asked for that feature, which I strongly doubt. Which is also no valid reason. I've even written a post about that on my blog.

Communication is a golden key to a community. And communities are what the web is all about these days. Opera needs a growing community, not a community that people leave out of frustration.

Introduce features but make them both easily discoverable and easily avoidable.

All this, just my 2 cents.

+1

Originally posted by topdawg:

I think what is lacking in every case where people keep begging for months for something as simple as "an option (not) to..." is a candid explanation from an Opera insider. Developer, product manager, anyone, just someone explaining what is going on is enough to quell any frustration.

I agree that its frustrating for users, but the policy is unlikely to change. If a developer or other insider says something like "We're working on this for a future version," still no one knows when (or if) it will get implemented. If it doesn't, we're back to square one with brass knobs on.

Users will cry, "You said this was going to implemented. Why isn't it done yet?"

That's why its better to say nothing. Learn from the experience of Tracker who develop the PDF-XChange Viewer. Version 3, was originally scheduled for release in Q2 of this year, but got pushed back repeatedly. It has still not been released.

Originally posted by "Bhikkhu Pesala":

Originally posted by "Paul - Tracker Supp"(on Thu Mar 03, 2011):

I think you may like what Santa brings...

Is that a hint that its release date has been pushed back to Christmas?

+1
I have stopped moving tabs around since forced tab stacking was introduced. I would love to be able to move them around again, this is a frustrating situation.

Originally posted by Proxopid:

I have stopped moving tabs around since forced tab stacking was introduced.

It is not forced. If you don't want to stack them disable tab wrapping. Then you can move tabs around again as before.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Then you can move tabs around again as before.

Wrong - you have to be way to more careful because there is roughly 50% chance that the tabs will get stacked...

I hate tab-stacking!
And I'm starting to believe that almost all the anger in the whole world born because of tab stacking!!!!

Originally posted by woj-tek:

because there is roughly 50% chance that the tabs will get stacked...

Wrong. There is roughly a 33% chance that the tabs will get stacked. You need to be more careful about what you say. First you say that stacking is forced, then that it is 50/50, but in fact it is only about 33/67 — it is not forced at all.

I'm not saying that an option to disable it is not needed, but people are way too angry about this due to their own impatience.

Pesala
it's not users' impatience, it's just developers' lazyness!!
I have over 70tabs opened and lots of times even when I try to switch to another tab by clicking - stupid Opera engine sees that I have accidently moved that tab for around 2 pixels - and it stacks!!
This is the stupidest feature EVAR!!

Hm, the tab has height of 26px, there is 8px of it that doesn't turn on stacking, next there is 15px that will make tabs stack and then 3px left that will make tab switch. That makes ~57% of stacking area of a tab.

Also - I didn't say I was *forced* (please don't put words that I didn't say in my mouth - TIA). But considering high odds I only stated that the likelihood was greater. We can debate whether 1/3 chance (or more that 1/2 in my case) is high or not... I (and probably great great majority in this thread) would say that anything more that about 0,1%

yes, I have my tabs on side (with intensive browsing this better suits my needs) and no - if I have a chance to be annoyed by the product on a daily basis or not use this product I chose the latter (<rant>good ol' 10.10 in my case -- still faster than any subsequent version, also snappier UI, without autostacking, without activate-on-mouse-press... but I question myself how long can I function with outdated rendering engine... still - most of the needed pages work so there is no hurry for me to put up with quirkiness of newer versions.... for now</rant>)

Originally posted by woj-tek:

Hm, the tab has height of 26px, there is 8px of it that doesn't turn on stacking

Yes, 8 pix at the top, and 8 pix at the bottom, out of 26 which is 64% even with the tabs on the side.

Originally posted by woj-tek:

this once again make me want break my computer every time I want to move a tab to a different position

If you just used it for a few days instead of downgrading, you would be used to it by now.